awilki01
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Effects plugins
Can anyone point me in the right direction for a VST/DXi plugin that does some really good gating and other effects e.g. ping delay, panning, flanging, etc? I have CamelSpace which does really nice effects, but I would like to expand my library some. Is there anything comparable to CamelSpace out there?
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lawapa
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/16 15:53:03
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P5 ;)+) And since you don't have it. Has a gate effect and phase/flange. 2 That I want are spin audio and Voxengo. Both have some great effects/tools/process. Spin Audios 3 d delay and chorus are good as well. I don't have these they are just on my wish list. Curve EQ/Transmodder from voxengo too.
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awilki01
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/16 15:58:31
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Thanks, I'll have to go look those up.
I have Rapture. It would be nice if I could run tracks through it and use its effects. Wouldn't that be neat? I think it could potentially be done relatively easy....at least it seems like it could. That would make an extra selling point.
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lawapa
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/16 16:03:22
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AFAIK that is a doable thing. The limit is your ram. How much you have. And as Brock/Tom HAS SAID BEFORE. It rocks. Sounds weird. But try it.
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awilki01
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/16 16:14:19
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I have 1GB RAM. I'll try that and let you know. I had no idea it would do that.
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awilki01
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/16 19:03:30
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ORIGINAL: lawapa
AFAIK that is a doable thing. The limit is your ram. How much you have. And as Brock/Tom HAS SAID BEFORE. It rocks. Sounds weird. But try it.
I couldn't get it to work. I just tried..
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/16 19:50:22
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Bounce your track to .wav/export it as a wavfile. Lower sample rates & bit depths, shorter tracks, and summed to mono are going to prove more forgiving on Rapture and your memory resources. Navigate to the track as .wav from Rapture's Multisample/Oscillator editing window. Play middle C to bring it in at the originallly recorded pitch. Playing tight cluster 'chords' spaced a semitome apart yields some interesting 'barberpole'-type descending passages that's reminiscient of a pitch shifter with a feedback loop. Wider chords display increasingly extreme speed changes. Needless to say: simpler phrasing in the original track leads to more controllable results using Rapture's extreme processing options. It also goes without saying that this is slightly beyond the intent of Rapture's design, and it's quite possible to overload your available resources. IOW: you're not going to see this detailed in the manual anytime soon. Use a low Polyphony value as a safety valve (turn on Portamento while you're at it  ). And, whatever you do, don't turn on the Pitch StepGen! I don't want to be held responsible for any disintegration of world view that can very well be a direct result. 
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lawapa
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/16 20:56:38
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If you've ever used soundforge on part of a track in Sonar you know you can zero in. Since rapture was not designed to effect a track like this you can't just open a track in rapture ;)+) But you could select part and export that, trim/mono out bounce/ and then open that in rapture. Well now that you have some amunition for that high powered expression engine you could do some major damage as Tom stated. Rapture has 6 elements. If you open options and do multitimbral you have control over 6 different possible drop ins. And with each you just midi in when ever you feel the urge to do some damage. You could use these with the original for some real mind blowing effects or use then anyway you feel is right? Once part of a track or tune is midi'd up anything is possible. You have some vocals on a track? but you can use just about anything.
Do up a new folder and name it to the song. scan the tune for possibles, export 1 2 3 4 or more tracks but just do a part. Then channel convert/trim to start and raptureize. Doing this will get you started using your own samples/ make you try out every possible effect in rapture. To select just a part of a track/tune high light the the tracks and drag the timeline for just that area then hit export to audio and name so you have an idea what you just did. Set markers to that region so you can find it again and your off. Sound silly? Try it and see.
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awilki01
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/16 22:29:31
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Oh, I understand. Thanks for the feedback. I thought there was something Rapture could do in real time in the effects bin - like CamelSpace does. This seems to limit what I want to do - make effects for an entire track.
So, back to the original question. Anyone know of any good effects plugins that might be comparable or better than CamelSpace? I really want some nice gating effects.....
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/17 00:05:10
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Metalurgy 20 dollar effects plug in that Computer Music gave a ten over ten in last months issue LX-F10 - Free effects plug in, very cool Vintage Warmer - Great post effects plug in, $150 Chorosion - Nice Corrosion filter Orange Vocator, $200 Vocal effects plug in
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awilki01
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/17 00:57:42
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ORIGINAL: whitefalcon
Metalurgy 20 dollar effects plug in that Comuter Music gave a ten in last months issue
LX-F10 - Free effects plug in, very cool
Vintage Warmer - Great post effects plug in, $150
Chorosion
Orange Vocator, $200 Vocal effects plug in
Thanks! I couldn't find anything on LX-F10 or Chorosion though. It seems like Vintage Warmer is more of a final mixdown tool for compression and limiting. I'm specifically looking for something along the lines of what CamelSpace does - if you are familiar with that. Thanks again..
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/17 06:23:32
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I'm specifically looking for something along the lines of what CamelSpace does Hmm… That's an eclectic feature set… How about the Ohm Force effects suite? They have amazing modulation capabilites (think LFO on every parameter with different oscillator shapes incl. random & noise) and the sample & hold functions could probably fake some of the step sequencing type effects. The Quad Frohmage filter bank & OhmBoyz delay plug are particularly impressive. Plus, the devs are total misfits: a good thing in an industry that can easily get bogged down in nerdiness. Their new hardware “brown noise generator†is actual one of the team's baby daughter! 
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lawapa
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/17 09:20:28
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P5 has a gate. I've used that before and it worked very well. But something tells me there has to be a gated effect that has more? I just don't know on that one. You could gate verb and delay with the P5 gate as it's a plugin. It could gate a straight sound as well as any effect depending on where you put it in a chain. P5 does have more than just a gate you could use. The effects add so nicely to Sonar I was really surprised. Oh and the Ohmforce stuff Paradroid talked about. These are track plugs that can make your tracks sound like they have been run through Rapture almost. No step gens but filters on filters like camel space. You can use a filter like a gate where it closes completely off after a set time. And as you know no sound gets through. And that effect can be pronounced and rythmic.
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awilki01
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/17 14:03:59
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This is sort of inline with the types of things I want to do. Here is a few second clip from a song by Blank & Jones called Catch. Notice the high pitch instrument. Is that an arp or a gate? It sounds so clean. What kind of tools allow you to create cool things like that? It seems so basic, but I don't think anything in my arsenal can do that - Rapture included....I could be wrong though. Here is the clip: Catch - clip (mp3)
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/17 16:07:27
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There are some cool effects here: Devine Machine. Especially look at Minion, which is free, and very unique. Lucifer might be more what you're looking for, though. I think it was just released and might be payware.
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/17 17:05:34
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lawapa
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/17 17:29:50
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I listened to the example mp3 and for all practical matters the synth voice was programed that way. Way to fast for a gated effect. and if an arp was used it really didn't matter it just made the sequence easier to do. Simply put it has a lightening fast attack with all most no sustain. Something very easy to do up in rapture or z3ta or pentagon or psyn2. I'd say rapture might be the easist but it's a very do-able sound. Take any Rapture sound solo an element and using the AMP eg place the first default node all the way up to top set the second node all the way down and drag till the sustain part is close to your example sound. If the pitch seems to low bump it up an octive till it's close to where you want it. If you want an arp on this sound click on pitch and activate the step gen. Set the pitch steps to see what happens to your sound.
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lawapa
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/17 18:52:49
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Dave ; Quick tutorial on your sound ;)+)
Rapture leads-addwave solo just a tad down from top
Disable all filters 1-4 top right hand side bypass
Disable all element effects and global effects
Enable all Amp Eg's 1-4 drag the default node to top and add node to time=250 on all 4 elements.
Remember to save as- new your sound name and you should be good to go. Is that close or what? Let me know what you think ;)+) And all without a gate effect.
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awilki01
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/17 19:46:41
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I did as you said and it, well, sounds nothing like the example I gave.' Here is what it sounds like: instrument.mp3 Are you suggesting they played each and every note? I figured they pressed one key and some effect/arp did the rest. I need to loop this sound. I'll play around with Rapture to see what I can come up with. Thanks! Mike, I will check those out, thanks. Mumpcake, I have Metallurgy - I downloaded it yesterday. I just have not installed it yet
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awilki01
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/17 21:12:21
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I made a Rapture instrument that does something similar, but its no where near where it needs to be. The Rapture instrument just lacks the character I want......It seems too hollow in comparison - I'm probably just doing something right. Here is the what the Rapture instrument sounds like: Rapture Instrument.mp3
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lawapa
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/17 22:32:21
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Well you are right. I didn't arp the sound. And yes you could do that the ol fashioned way and play the notes. But I bet not. I didn't take it any farther than close. EQ and some effect could get it closer if you worked on it.
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awilki01
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/18 01:07:09
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lawapa
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/18 11:00:14
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Dave-You do know you can upload a rapture prog to Project5.com This sounds like a good candidate for this.
Did you enter the steps for the arp using your keyboard? Or use a saved midi pattern?
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awilki01
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RE: Effects plugins
2006/06/18 11:55:57
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I entered the notes myself in the Step Gen. I have about 20 or so presets I have made. I will try and upload some to the Project5.com a little later.
Thanks!
Adam
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