space_cowboy
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Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
I have been plagued with small timing issues... guitar parts being out of time by 1/16 note or so. Not sure I can pinpoint when this started happening. Take a second guitar part for example. It has just E&A two tone played for 1/8 note pairs on beats 1 and 3 of each measure for a bit. I listen to what I recorded and it is routinely ahead of where it is supposed to be. I know I am getting old, but my chops are not that sloppy! I have my audio prefs set as shown.. Latency looks high, but wouldn't that delay rather than rush a beat? 
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Jimbo 88
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/21 13:55:35
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This is not my area of expertise by all means, but check your buffer setting on your sound card. Click the "ASIO Panel..." and lower it 128 and see if that works better. When you are mixing you will probably want to raise the buffer setting to as high as 1024. With all the new plugins that have look ahead features I think timing might be wanky. Do you have a VST plugin that looks ahead like the LP MB in your project?
I recently noticed a similar issue with midi on my RME sound card. Everything I played was ahead of where I thought it was played. I've read that it is an issue with RME cards and there is a .dll that fixes things, but I picked up a $14 usb midi adapter to by passed my RME card and timing is fine now. Not sure if that applies to your situation, but gives some insight.
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/21 14:58:17
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had the same problem for months
have to do a work around
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Base 57
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/21 16:48:02
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Make sure that "use reported latency" is checked in Preferences/Sync and Caching. Then do a loopback test. It is possible (likely) that you also need a manual offset.
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space_cowboy
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/21 18:06:41
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Where would I put a manual offset in? Would i still hear things played in sync?
I am trying to figure out if I hear things on VST synths. I am not sure I can tell a constant ~1/16 note offset. A guitar attack is very sharp. And while I can play 1/16ths on a guitar, it has to be the same note over and over on a keyboard!! (hahah). But again, looking at the midi, it looks to be slightly early too.
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/21 19:35:18
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I would try reinstalling your UAD drivers.
15 Sec is very generous roundtrip. you shouldn't be having any issues there with 15.
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Base 57
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/21 19:45:32
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☄ Helpfulby Jimbo 88 2017/08/21 19:56:59
Manual Offset is in Preferences/Audio/Sync and Caching.
To do loopback test:
First, record a click to a single audio track in an otherwise blank project . Any audio file will do, but a click is the easiest to line up later.
Second, patch your interface's audio output to an input and re-record the click to a second track. If the waveform of the second track lines up in time perfectly to the first, then you are the one with the timing problem. If they do not line up (as I suspect), you will need to experiment with manual offset until a recording of the second track lines up precisely to the sample.
If you have not performed this test you do not know for certain that your audio recordings are accurately synchronized. BTW my manual offset is 98 for my Orion 32+ with a 44.1k sample rate. If you check the box "use reported latency" then the manual offset should stay the same regardless of the buffer size.
If your issue is with timing of midi recordings, that is a different problem. Midi timing offset is global and can fix timing on input but it screws up the output timing so it is better to just nudge new midi recordings by the offset. You can determine the midi offset with the same type of loopback test as above (with a midi cable instead of audio).
hope that helps
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/21 21:04:07
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Well I don't know how Space Cowboy is doing with his issue, but my midi and audio timing is dead on now. I really do like this forum. Interesting thing...I did tests with two different metronomes. One external and one internal. The internal metronome was dead on once recorded thru my sound card, the external was a hair late-ever so slight-off the beat. I'm going to guess that was due to midi being involved. The funny thing is I played the same exact midi piano part 2 times with the different metronomes to see if I could determine which way resulted in the best timing. There was no discernible difference what so ever. Even tho the external metronome is somewhat off (maybe not detectable to the human ear).
Anyway ...Thanks!!
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/22 02:03:52
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Base 57 Maybe the culprit is these &*#^ Magix drivers. I installed Sound Forge 12 the other day. It took over my drivers under Audio/Devices in Prefs. I fixed that. But it is now showing up in the Sync and Caching. I tried switching back to my UA drivers, but SPLAT keeps defaulting back to the Magix. I cannot undo that. Is there a driver cache somewhere I can edit to remove the Magix? 
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/22 02:33:13
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Oh for reference, I got the UA drivers in this page. the yellow highlight is no longer the default. Sorry for the sloppy red. Hard to draw with a wheel mouse. 
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/22 02:37:00
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Maybe you can disable Magix in Volume Mixer and/or Control Panel if it shows up as a separate audio device. In Volume Mixer just right click on the little speaker icon in the taskbar tray and chose (alternately) Playback Devices and Recording Devices and disable there.
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/22 02:58:30
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You can disable drivers in Device Manager too.
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/22 03:02:58
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Guys I could not find it in the device manager.
I took the draconian step of uninstalling Sound Forge until I can figure this merde out. That fixed it.
Too bad, the new Sound Forge is 64 bit so my UAD plugins worked with it.
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/22 12:14:15
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Those creeps. Few things piss me off more than software companies taking control of things they have no business with on our computers to make life "easy." Like for instance, those frickin' automatic updates.
Sorry, it's late. Good luck figuring out a work-around, space_cowboy and let us know what it is. I was considering getting the 64-bit Pro version when it comes out, but I sure don't need the kind of trouble you are having.
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/22 15:00:12
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BRain
There has to be a way to install Sound Forge 12 and not install the drivers. Their hijacking of my drivers messed the timing up.
Everyone else - thanks for the suggestions. I uninstalled Sound Forge 12 and made sure the UA drivers were the only options. Everything works right afterwards.
I recorded a guitar riff of 1/16th and 1/8th notes (plus some rests), A 1/4 note counter riff on a separate track, and some chords (whole notes) on a third. For 11pm, it was danged close!
Again, thanks all!
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/22 15:03:02
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Ya know -
Why is Magix installing drivers at all? They did not make any of the hardware. If someone like Bitflipper could chime in...
It was my opinion that drivers were needed for the various devices that existed off the motherboard (and probably devices on the motherboard). I am not sure I understand why a purely software application would need drivers. Help me Obiwan, you're my only hope.
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/22 15:32:33
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Ya that's a strange one, I have a basic version of Sound Forge came with a Sony turntable and it didn't install those drivers. Possibly during install there's a checked box that needs un-checking? This shows once again how important good drivers are. And how important it is to perform a loop back test so your not pulling your hair our=t wondering why your songs suck. Here's my little loop back experiment where I tried the different drivers , clearly shows ASIO wins. 
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Re: Either my timing is off in SPLAT or it is off in me
2017/08/22 20:34:27
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Johnny
I switched to RME Hammerfall converters maybe 15years ago, with a light pipe connection from their DIGI 9652 (I think) to my D8B console. I have been a big believer in ASIO for at least that long.
But as good as ASIO is, it really requires the drivers to be fast as well.
I recently bought a UA Apollo rack because after like 10 years and constant use, my RME FF800 just quit. I like the concept of Unison Technology on the UA, but it is danged hard to beat RME's drivers. I could routinely get round trip latency of 6-8msec. If you think about that number, that is like playing electric guitar and standing 6' from your amp.
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