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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/01 19:30:49
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ORIGINAL: keith
I think "paid update" speaks for itself. A "paid update" is usually a major point release, not a major version release. Like Logic and Pro Tools and others (Cubendo? Samplitude?) in recent years.
But it refers to both paid update and paid upgrade, interchangeably. What it doesn't refer to is any specific version of Sonar higher than 8. Note that the offer ends on March 1, 2010. I suspect it's like this. There will be a point upgrade to, say 8.5, or 8.9, or whatever. This is what you'll get for free. And it would be easy for CW to make a "new" version by just throwing in some plugins (eg full Rapture) and some minor feature tweaking, probably some Project5 transplants (remember that P5 was offered for $50 last year as an upgrade incentive for Sonar 8.) How will people who bought Sonar 8 months ago get this new update? They'll probably have to pay nominally for it. (I got P5 with Sonar 8 for $50.) Some no doubt will, but many won't -- if 7 to 8 was easy to forgo (for some of us) 8 to 8.5 would be even easier. This offer is a way for CW to maintain its revenue for the second half of the year by encouraging updates to the current and soon-to-be-old version (8) with a promise of getting the next paid version (referred to as both an update and an upgrade) for free. They're doing this because there will not be, as there usually is, a "real" Fall upgrade to what would be a full-fledged new version, ie, Sonar 9. So they're bridging and extending the business life of Sonar 8 -- but only until March. Why March? Because post-March the inevitable successor to 'Sonar' will be unveiled, a whole new platform, and they don't want there to be any ambiguity between that new product and the "next paid upgrade" that this current offer refers to. That's why they refer to the "next paid update/upgrade" to *Sonar.* There will certainly be an upgrade path from Sonar to the new product, but there also has to be a clear distinction made between it and the Sonar line, which ends with the "next paid update/upgrade" and which will be fully past tense as of March 1, 2010. This is pure speculation. But it feels right. There was feeling surrounding Sonar 8 of it being a full fruition of the platform and the design.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/01 19:34:01
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Just had an email through.
Free Beatscape for all those who already own Beatscape. Download Beatscape 1.2 onto your existing 1.2 and enjoy all the benefits of 1.2 - you must have Beatscape 1.2 installed.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/01 19:42:11
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Perhaps they're changing the name or the numbering scheme? Maybe it's part of the deal with Microsoft that they have to abandon sensible versioning (e.g. 8.0, 8.3, 9.0) and call the next version "SONAR 2009". That would be the Microsoft Way. Then, they could abandon their current project file format in favor of XML to assure maximum backward incompatibility. Next, impose an automatic daily update service that sneaks in a "Genuine Cakewalk" checker disguised as a security fix. Finally, require the installation of a key DLL that disables Cubase and Pro Tools and any other audio application on the same machine. THEN they'd be in Microsoft's good graces and have a shot a Partner of the Year in 2010!
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/01 20:24:25
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ORIGINAL: keith
ORIGINAL: RodC
I just bought the upgrade to 8 at $129, havnt even done a project with it yet.
I got it for the same promo price at sweetwater. The upgrade price now for producer is back to the usual $179. So what's the complaint, exactly? You got a 28% discount off the normal upgrade price, plus probably free shipping.
I guess thats what I get for being a constant paying customer, Im sure you all remember the way this went over the last 2 rounds.
The last was buy v5 get v6 for free. Every version subsequent to v6 had some special promo price leading up to the next release (e.g., $99 upgrades). They have not done the "get the next version free" promo with one exception: they've always had a 30-day or so grace period for buyers of the previous version. Alex or somebody said last August or thereabouts: we're not doing the "get the next version free" this year (w/ v8), so don't even ask.
So how exactly do you feel ripped off? Is that you expect there to be a "get the next version free" promo with every single release? Except for the typical grace period around the time of the next release, expecting that the company will always have a certain promo deal every year is a little ridiculous, no?
complaint... Well we were told they would never do this again (UTFS) , yep its back up to $179, but for this price you get 8 and whatever is next. I will prob have to spend the same price again $129 - 179 to get the upgrade. SO someone buying it today, gets the deal we were told would never happen... Not sure how this is hard to understand, I gues anyone can renege on a deal if they wish, its just not a good biz pratice in my book.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/01 21:04:27
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ORIGINAL: bitflipper
Perhaps they're changing the name or the numbering scheme?
Maybe it's part of the deal with Microsoft that they have to abandon sensible versioning (e.g. 8.0, 8.3, 9.0) and call the next version "SONAR 2009". That would be the Microsoft Way.
Then, they could abandon their current project file format in favor of XML to assure maximum backward incompatibility. Next, impose an automatic daily update service that sneaks in a "Genuine Cakewalk" checker disguised as a security fix. Finally, require the installation of a key DLL that disables Cubase and Pro Tools and any other audio application on the same machine.
THEN they'd be in Microsoft's good graces and have a shot a Partner of the Year in 2010!
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/01 21:25:13
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ORIGINAL: bitflipper
Perhaps they're changing the name or the numbering scheme?
Maybe it's part of the deal with Microsoft that they have to abandon sensible versioning (e.g. 8.0, 8.3, 9.0) and call the next version "SONAR 2009". That would be the Microsoft Way.
Then, they could abandon their current project file format in favor of XML to assure maximum backward incompatibility. Next, impose an automatic daily update service that sneaks in a "Genuine Cakewalk" checker disguised as a security fix. Finally, require the installation of a key DLL that disables Cubase and Pro Tools and any other audio application on the same machine.
THEN they'd be in Microsoft's good graces and have a shot a Partner of the Year in 2010!
You forgot a couple of things... hide all the menu items except for the "frequently used" ones... then whatever menu items are left over, mix those all up and rename them so they're different than every version of SONAR going back 10 years... Then you'll have it...
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/01 21:52:08
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ORIGINAL: Marah
It's always interesting when you get an offer and, before deciding whether you want to take it or not, you first have to decide whether its language is intentionally slippery or unintentionally sloppy. It becomes even more interesting when the offer itself contains an unambiguous proofing error.
Well let's see if everyone wins the "Name that error" game. 1. Subject line says "Next paid Version" 2. Heading in black area says "Next Paid Upgrade" 3. Offer says "Next Paid Update" Cakewalk (by Roland) needs to get in front of this NOW because it looks extremely misleading (and we don't like that!  ) Brian
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/01 21:54:08
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ORIGINAL: RodC
I will prob have to spend the same price again $129 - 179 to get the upgrade. SO someone buying it today, gets the deal we were told would never happen... You're assuming the "paid update" will be the same price as a full upgrade. For that matter you're assuming that the "paid update" will be as extensive as a full version upgrade. Personally, I don't think the price will be that high, nor will the update be that large... maybe $50 - $75 for a bunch of bug fixes and workflow enhancements. Maybe bundle Rapture Pro in the download because it's small. But neither of us know anything at this point since nothing has been announced. So why get angry over speculation? Not sure how this is hard to understand, I gues anyone can renege on a deal if they wish, its just not a good biz pratice in my book. "Renege on a deal"? When I buy software from a vendor the relationship consists of a.) me providing money to the vendor, and b.) the vendor providing software, technical support, and any necessary software maintenance required to make said software perform as advertised. That's it. That's the extent of the transaction, the extent of my obligations to the vendor, and the extent of their obligations to me. If I'm not happy with the vendor's overall product quality, attitude toward customers, level of support, whatever, then I choose not to use their products.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/01 22:44:42
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a great lawyer once told me....... "all we can do is speculate right now and we won't know anything until the court date so chill out"
all we can do is speculate and we wont know until cake is ready to tell us....... tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping foot....tapping
ok ...long enough ...cake... we going to 8.5 or 9.0 as the next paid release?
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/01 23:47:59
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free update..... isn't that what they've always done?
but seriously, for those that feel this deal "screws 'em" because they just recently upGRADED, ask yourself if you were happy the day you did it and if you'd still make the same decision, had this recent offer not come around.
Sonar blew my socks off the 1st day I got it a couple versions ago. Now that I'm comfortable with the program, I still see there's a ton more to get into. Good product, no matter what version or upgrade....even with the glitches.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 00:12:19
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rabel rabel rabel rabel which version is the free update version rabel rabel rabel rabel
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 02:06:50
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Really, there's too much ambiguity in that offer for it to just hang out there for too long, though it's relatively clear what it does NOT say, given CW's "normal" upgrade cycle. They'll either have to clarify the offer itself, or fairly quickly make a second "separate" announcement about the "next paid upgrade", which'll be 8.something. I'd bet almost anything it won't be Sonar 9. Re: their "normal" upgrade cycle, I've posted that its timing was probably altered by 8, which I think it's not *too* unfair to say wasn't *really* released until 8.3 came out. That release, last Feb 28 if I recall correctly, marked the start of a new release schedule. Note that this offer for the "next paid update/upgrade" expires March 1. If the ambiguity of update vs. upgrade wasn't intentional, it night not have been accidental either, so much as a reflection of a subtle confusion within CW itself as they sync their marketing with their development and acclimate to the an updated (upgraded?) business model.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 05:32:20
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I don't think it'll be 9 either.
I also wonder whether the VS 'range' of hardware is responsible for this in some way. Or was I right when I suggested a Fantom with built in Sonar some months ago?
And of course it doesn't say "Sonar by Roland" does it?
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 05:41:24
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ORIGINAL: Marah
ORIGINAL: keith
I think "paid update" speaks for itself. A "paid update" is usually a major point release, not a major version release. Like Logic and Pro Tools and others (Cubendo? Samplitude?) in recent years.
But it refers to both paid update and paid upgrade, interchangeably. What it doesn't refer to is any specific version of Sonar higher than 8.
Note that the offer ends on March 1, 2010.
I suspect it's like this. There will be a point upgrade to, say 8.5, or 8.9, or whatever. This is what you'll get for free. And it would be easy for CW to make a "new" version by just throwing in some plugins (eg full Rapture) and some minor feature tweaking, probably some Project5 transplants (remember that P5 was offered for $50 last year as an upgrade incentive for Sonar 8.) How will people who bought Sonar 8 months ago get this new update? They'll probably have to pay nominally for it. (I got P5 with Sonar 8 for $50.) Some no doubt will, but many won't -- if 7 to 8 was easy to forgo (for some of us) 8 to 8.5 would be even easier. This offer is a way for CW to maintain its revenue for the second half of the year by encouraging updates to the current and soon-to-be-old version (8) with a promise of getting the next paid version (referred to as both an update and an upgrade) for free.
They're doing this because there will not be, as there usually is, a "real" Fall upgrade to what would be a full-fledged new version, ie, Sonar 9. So they're bridging and extending the business life of Sonar 8 -- but only until March.
Why March? Because post-March the inevitable successor to 'Sonar' will be unveiled, a whole new platform, and they don't want there to be any ambiguity between that new product and the "next paid upgrade" that this current offer refers to. That's why they refer to the "next paid update/upgrade" to *Sonar.* There will certainly be an upgrade path from Sonar to the new product, but there also has to be a clear distinction made between it and the Sonar line, which ends with the "next paid update/upgrade" and which will be fully past tense as of March 1, 2010.
This is pure speculation. But it feels right. There was feeling surrounding Sonar 8 of it being a full fruition of the platform and the design.
+1 I'll bet cakewalk hate it when you guess their plans and let everyone else know  no free updates for you
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 05:51:02
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Having just carefully read the email I received and the "offer" page linked to it, I must confess--I'm a little confused about exactly "what" is actually being offered. My apologies to the OP for misleading him/her about the "download" vs. "full version" statements I made.
Hopefully one of the "Bakers" will chime in with a little more clarification (as much as is possible considering the marketing battles that exist amongst the major DAW developers).
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 06:06:41
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ORIGINAL: SteveStrummerUK
Hi guys
Is there a precedent for this kind of offer?
I just upgraded from SONAR Studio 8 to Producer 8 in last month's special offer.
The 'normal' upgrade from S8SE to S8PE is UK£175 + £5 p&p
The offer I took advantage of included:
* The upgrade
* A copy of Scott's Power book
* The SONAR 8 HD DVD
* Free delivery
That little lot cost me £99
Ignoring the book and the DVD, I appear to have saved £81
Why I ask if there's a precedent is because I'm wondering now if this 'Update' is going to be worth more or less than that 
Funny thing is I was teetering on the thought of upgrading 7 - 8 but it's put me right off now looking at my sign up date here I became a new user during the spring '08 and the prices were much clearer, 7 was stable at v .02 and there were none of these 'fantastic give-away deals' and Sonar won for me simply providing the most bang for buck, when stacked against the other choices I had (or was at that time aware of). Seeing the upgrade deal you were offered a few weeks ago and this new offer I'm just confused into even more of a state of 'wait and see' than I already have been. Like you I'm now wondering what the real 'value' of this next paid update is going to be. Chances are I'm gonna be using 7 for awhile now just to see if the 'next paid update' is really gonna be worth it and if it is I shall be waiting until such a time that all the retailers are discounting again (prolly this time next year) because I will have missed out on this 'incredible' (literally, not credible, unbelievable, far fetched) offer. Still 7 is working well enough for me just now and don't need fixing so I can wait. Precedent? I dunno what kind of business model this is, seems like a hybrid of retail, auctioneering and some make it up as you go along to me. Kudos to Marah though she's been predicting pretty much what appears to be happening here now for quite some time and I reckon I can afford to buy a round of drinks on the money that insight has saved me...I ain't buying no upgrade with or without update just now so... what are you having?
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 06:53:10
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It really is unclear what CakeWalk means saying get the next paid SONAR update free. What the heck does that mean?!!!!
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2009/07/02 06:57:26
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 06:58:00
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 07:06:02
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It does sound like there will be another update for version 8, and it will cost money.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 07:21:29
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Crap! I just upgraded 2-3 weeks ago! 
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 07:21:39
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ORIGINAL: keith
ORIGINAL: RodC
I will prob have to spend the same price again $129 - 179 to get the upgrade. SO someone buying it today, gets the deal we were told would never happen...
You're assuming the "paid update" will be the same price as a full upgrade. For that matter you're assuming that the "paid update" will be as extensive as a full version upgrade. Personally, I don't think the price will be that high, nor will the update be that large... maybe $50 - $75 for a bunch of bug fixes and workflow enhancements. Maybe bundle Rapture Pro in the download because it's small. But neither of us know anything at this point since nothing has been announced. So why get angry over speculation?
Not sure how this is hard to understand, I gues anyone can renege on a deal if they wish, its just not a good biz pratice in my book.
"Renege on a deal"? When I buy software from a vendor the relationship consists of a.) me providing money to the vendor, and b.) the vendor providing software, technical support, and any necessary software maintenance required to make said software perform as advertised. That's it. That's the extent of the transaction, the extent of my obligations to the vendor, and the extent of their obligations to me. If I'm not happy with the vendor's overall product quality, attitude toward customers, level of support, whatever, then I choose not to use their products.
Whats there to speculate about? The next paid update will be free to those who buy it now, something they said would not happen. "Renege on a deal" = I will do X but guess what, I don't do it, pretty simple.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 07:40:47
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Personally I don't think the semantics of whether it might be called Sonar 8.5 or Sonar 9 matter a jot, provided it IS the substantial upgrade, update or whatever name you want to give it, that Cakewalk say it will be. To me calling it 8.5 instead of 9 does not in any way justify that it should somehow be free. That is not a logical argument - it is what you get for your money that will determine its value.
What will be important to me is what the new bug fixes and features are. We never know that much in advance anyway. Remember, the 8.3 update also included several decent new features as well as bug fixes.
More important is that it appears, whether Sonar 8.5 or 9, it is now being offered as a download. As much of the 9 GB or whatever it is now of the full CD package is now sample data and such, well we already have it with Sonar 8, so there may well be no need to be downloading such a huge amount of data. Bear in mind that a download of say 100 MB could still be a very substantial improvement in terms of bugs and features.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 08:06:28
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I just hope the audio engine keeps getting better and they keep striving for the triple holy grail ie:- more overall stability; lower latency combined with lower cpu useage and failsafe stability at super-high CPU loads [ ie: %90 > loads ] The engine changes from S7 to S8 went a long way to delivering the above - I really hope S8.5 or S9 or whatever its called achieves this once and for all. Otherwise, if its just a "roll in" of Rapture full version with some bug-fixing and they want $60 <-> $100, there are going to be a LOT of really pissed off people. I think this is going to be a real watershed / fork-in-the-road update / upgrade. Either Rol/CW will take Sonar to the next level in terms of features, stability and professionalism OR it will be a cynical "money milking" exercise. Whichever is the "outcome" will finally tell us who is really running the show / pulling the strings. Tim
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 08:28:53
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ORIGINAL: papa2004
Having just carefully read the email I received and the "offer" page linked to it, I must confess--I'm a little confused about exactly "what" is actually being offered. My apologies to the OP for misleading him/her about the "download" vs. "full version" statements I made.
Hopefully one of the "Bakers" will chime in with a little more clarification (as much as is possible considering the marketing battles that exist amongst the major DAW developers).
Got no email from Ro/Cake lately about this situation. But reading what's linked-to here it's all confusing. And I don't think all the powers-that-be are on the same page either as to what's going on. Is it being charged for a 8.x update which have historically been free? Is it a Sonar 9 release? This demands a LOT more explanation than what we're hearing and reading, elsewise you just have people getting all exercised over who knows what.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 08:30:12
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More important is that it appears, whether Sonar 8.5 or 9, it is now being offered as a download. As much of the 9 GB or whatever it is now of the full CD package is now sample data and such, well we already have it with Sonar 8, so there may well be no need to be downloading such a huge amount of data. Bear in mind that a download of say 100 MB could still be a very substantial improvement in terms of bugs and features. I agree that it doesnt matter what they call it - I think the interesting question is (if the next update is what would normally be Sonar 9) can you upgrade to it from S7, or do you have to upgrade at each paid version/update. There's a lot of users who are on the skip a version then upgrade train on the basis that you wont miss out on any content. But this change might signal a new paradigm - somewhat "mandatory" annual upgrades. On the other hand, the additional content (DimPro, Beatscape etc) in S8 might just have been a one time deal & if you skip a version then you miss out. I fervently hope that we're not seeing a change to an upgrade version being different to the bought new version - I still shudder remembering having to reload Win3.1 to get to load Win95, to get to load Win98, to get to load Win98SE each time I needed to reinstall the OS, because I'd bought "upgrade" versions This all supposes that the downloadable upgrade is significantly smaller than what we're used to - I recently participated in an Esoundz group buy where I downloaded 15GB, so who knows? Of course, the whole blurry language of the announcement might be a fiendish plan to do some market research & see how many of the peasants are revolting
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 08:31:00
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The last upgrade wasn't value for money for quite a few users.
While no one put a gun to their heads to buy it, they lumped in under-the-hood changes with things you may already have owned, didn't need or had covered via third party.
Each individual has a view on whether this was good, bad, right or wrong etc.
It kinda stunk to me.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 09:39:41
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ORIGINAL: ducatibruce2
More important is that it appears, whether Sonar 8.5 or 9, it is now being offered as a download. As much of the 9 GB or whatever it is now of the full CD package is now sample data and such, well we already have it with Sonar 8, so there may well be no need to be downloading such a huge amount of data. Bear in mind that a download of say 100 MB could still be a very substantial improvement in terms of bugs and features.
I agree that it doesnt matter what they call it - I think the interesting question is (if the next update is what would normally be Sonar 9) can you upgrade to it from S7, or do you have to upgrade at each paid version/update. There's a lot of users who are on the skip a version then upgrade train on the basis that you wont miss out on any content. But this change might signal a new paradigm - somewhat "mandatory" annual upgrades.
On the other hand, the additional content (DimPro, Beatscape etc) in S8 might just have been a one time deal & if you skip a version then you miss out.
I fervently hope that we're not seeing a change to an upgrade version being different to the bought new version - I still shudder remembering having to reload Win3.1 to get to load Win95, to get to load Win98, to get to load Win98SE each time I needed to reinstall the OS, because I'd bought "upgrade" versions
This all supposes that the downloadable upgrade is significantly smaller than what we're used to - I recently participated in an Esoundz group buy where I downloaded 15GB, so who knows?
Of course, the whole blurry language of the announcement might be a fiendish plan to do some market research & see how many of the peasants are revolting
I think you missed my point. If you go for the current deal, then you will have the DVD's with all the content, so to upgrade the software without the samples will be a much smaller download. I'm sure the next version of Sonar will still be offered on DVD's if your upgrade path has not included the necessary sample content. As I believe Esoundz is mainly a sample library, it is not surprising it is a massive download. For example the Sonar 7 Producer folder I have totals just under 60 MB in total. This is the main nucleus of the software. Yes other files and dll's will probably need to be updated which is why I suggested 100 MB might be a reasonable figure to include all the updates you need. This is similar in size to the 8.3 update which includes a completely re-compiled Sonar.exe. Content should also only need increments to the sample data - unless of course we get changes of content to address some of the tuning issues mentioned here. Even then this may not require new samples as much as programme alterations.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 10:10:54
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I think I get your point - you're suggesting that Cake is abandoning it's historical whole new version upgrade in September & replacing it with a paid for point update to the current version. My point is, maybe they're making a much more radical shift in the business model. From the sticky at the top of the forum ( http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1760419 ) you’ll receive the next feature-rich update to SONAR as a FREE download when released later this year. Since it's now July & typically the annual new version upgrade happens in September, it would suggest some sort of change. But that change might just be to multi GB download updates. Interestingly, from the same sticky Cakewalk will be making the free download available to anyone who has purchased SONAR V-Studio 700 as well, starting from the product’s initial release in January. but no love for those who only bought Sonar8. No one's mentioned this snippet from the announcement page ( http://www.cakewalk.com/sonarupgrade/ ) In addition, starting July 1st through August 31st, 2009, U.S. customers who purchase* a copy of SONAR 8 Studio or SONAR 8 Producer, Retail or Academic editions, will also be eligible for a $100 rebate by mail. Simply fill out and return the rebate form to receive a $100 rebate. Suggesting that the download might be largish, from the announcement page The next update to SONAR will also be available on DVD for a nominal fee at time of release for those customers with slower connection speeds or who prefer physical media. There does seem to be some change afoot.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 10:32:52
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I'm very excited about this deal! I'm still on 7 PE and was waiting for the next version to upgrade, now I can go ahead and get 8 PE for now and presumably in the long run I will save about $50 (the normal $ difference between upgrading from the most recent version vs. skipping a version). I will agree with the speculation that based on the dates the offer is available for, the next update will probably not be this fall but will be March/April next year.
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RE: Eligibility for free upgrade to next version?
2009/07/02 11:26:22
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i just upgraded to PE 8 from the cw web site - the package and the offer both arrived with me on the same day!
so I saved £76 on the upgrade price (£99 as opposed to £175)
So if when "the next paid update" comes out it is 8.5 and not 9 and they charge me £49 for the new stuff then I still got a good deal and a modest reward for purchasing the upgrade and I'm happy. If however it is 9 then the price is likely to be much higher, then i'm not so happy.
Ok - we all have the choice over what and when we decide to buy, but a little more transparency and openess would be very much appreciated.
Looking at the threads - I wonder if the longer standing cakewalkers habitually defer purchasing upgrades until the last minute in order to take advantage of the july madness and therefore force cakewalk into having to perpatuate the july madness in order to make their sales numbers?
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