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2013/11/10 21:20:13 (permalink)

Embarrassing.... I got caught out...

I got caught out with this today. (If you haven't configured this you should....!)

I have a nice set of stereo monitors, I don't own a subwoofer...

Start -> Control Panel -> Sound -> Click playback device -> Configure (bottom left)... Now select your settings.

I forgot to select that the front left and right as being "full range speakers".

Yikes. I don't see many people talking about this so I thought I'd post it.

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    thomasabarnes
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    Re: Embarrassing.... I got caught out... 2013/11/10 21:44:27 (permalink)
    Typically, DAW users have their monitors connected to their pro level audio interface and use that audio interface only with SONAR, but not as the default Windows playback device. It 's also more of a trend now-a-days to use the onboard sound as the default Windows playback device, and that's usually a 1/8 inch connector, on the back of the computer. So, good studio monitors aren't, typically, connected to the onboard sound output jack, (being that good monitors are preferably connected via XLR connectors.) So, a good number of users may not run into the problem of missing the step/s to setup those default Windows playback options.
     
    However, if your setup includes using good monitors and your good audio interface as the default Windows playback device, and you don't have a subwoofer, selecting "Full Range Speakers," is the way to go.


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    Re: Embarrassing.... I got caught out... 2013/11/10 21:48:26 (permalink)
    I don't think SONAR is going to pay any attention to how Windows is configured to use the interface (assuming you let it; I don't). SONAR's accessing the driver directly and using outputs however you have them configured in Peferences > Project > Surround.
     
     

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    Re: Embarrassing.... I got caught out... 2013/11/10 22:14:31 (permalink)
    NB there is a setting for each sound device listed, not just the windows default device.
     
    I have disabled the motherboard soundchip in the BIOS (as I believe this will improve performance) and everything goes through my Saffire Pro.
    So for my system there is only one audio interface.... ho hum....
     
     
     

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    Re: Embarrassing.... I got caught out... 2013/11/10 22:21:21 (permalink)
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    I don't think SONAR is going to pay any attention to how Windows is configured to use the interface (assuming you let it; I don't). SONAR's accessing the driver directly and using outputs however you have them configured in Peferences > Project > Surround.

     
    That's a point.. I will double check but I think I'm saved by the bell :) Cheers :)

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    Re: Embarrassing.... I got caught out... 2013/11/10 22:37:22 (permalink)
    I misunderstood your post. I thought you wanted to use your audio interface and monitors as the default Windows playback device.
     
    As Brundlefly says, SONAR will access the driver directly. Although your Saffire Pro is listed in the Windows audio control panel, you don't have to set up anything from the Windows control panel to affect how your audio interface sounds in SONAR. Select the Saffire Pro driver (in ASIO driver mode, I hope) in SONAR and use your audio interface's control panel to do any other needed tweaking (input level adjusting etc.)
     
    Cya around.


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    Re: Embarrassing.... I got caught out... 2013/11/10 22:45:20 (permalink)
     For the LONGEST time, I had all sound going through my audio interface, but due to some current projects, I have rethought that, and now have the audio interface only used by Sonar, and Windows is set to use the on-board audio chip for all other applications.
     
    The reason I have it set this way now is so that I can run songs through a program called The Amazing Slow Downer, while also having Sonar up and running, using the audio interface in ASIO mode.
     
    By having both ASIO drivers (using the audio interface) set for Sonar, I get the horsepower of the audio interface for Sonar, and for the Amazing Slow Downer, it uses the on-board audio/
     
    The above allows me to listen to song files with the on-board audio, where the Amazing Slow Downer lets me set loop points and also slow the playback WAY down without losing pitch, so that I can figure out really technically challenging lead parts for tunes.
     
    The reason I do all of this is because I have a number of really cool progressive tunes I always wanted to play out, and I need to be able to figure them out.
     
    Because ASIO allows only one application to have control, the above allows me to have two audio applications up and running concurrently.
     
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    Re: Embarrassing.... I got caught out... 2013/11/10 22:46:17 (permalink)
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    NB there is a setting for each sound device listed, not just the windows default device.
     
    I have disabled the motherboard soundchip in the BIOS (as I believe this will improve performance) and everything goes through my Saffire Pro.
    So for my system there is only one audio interface.... ho hum....
     
     
     


    I also use my interface for All Sounds!

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    Re: Embarrassing.... I got caught out... 2013/11/11 13:31:41 (permalink)
    Cool.. Hey Bob so this could apply to your internal sound card (see original post).

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    Re: Embarrassing.... I got caught out... 2013/11/11 15:53:16 (permalink)
    Hi - not sure what you meant - perhaps you could clarify.
     
    I am currently using my audio interface with ASIO drivers for Sonar, and the on-board sound chip on the motherboard as the standard Windows default audio device.
     
    I then use a y-cord with a mini-jack to take the output from the computer's speaker port, then run 2 1/4" cables into 2 open ports of the audio interface.
     
    What this does is allow Sonar to have exclusive control over the audio interface, but I also can have things like Windows Media Player up and running at the same time, and the computer speaker output is fed also through the audio interface, so I only need one set of speakers (my nice studio monitors), to be able to hear both the output from Sonar and the output from other Windows audio applications.
     
    Pretty simple to do, but gives me great flexibility.
     
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    Re: Embarrassing.... I got caught out... 2013/11/11 16:07:28 (permalink)
    Hi Bob
     
    I may be leading you up the garden path but.....
     
    Where you plug the mini jack in is where you would normally plug in your el cheapo set of computer speakers in if you didn't have your nice interface and wasn't interested in recording....  correct? Instead you route that output through your interface rather than through a set of speakers.
     
    So my initial post I suspect may still apply to your internal sound chip even though you are doing what you are doing otherwise Windows may remove frequencies that would instead go to a woofer... have you tried doing it yet to see what I mean?
     
    Thanks
     
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    Re: Embarrassing.... I got caught out... 2013/11/11 16:29:35 (permalink)
    For just this reason, I put a patch panel (mostly set to half-normal) and a 1U rack mixer (Behringer) in my rack. I do the prudent thing of only using my Focusrite for recording/editing/mixing on my wall-hung monitors and the on-board sound for all else. This way I can route the Windows sound to my monitors easily, but also patch anything directly into/through my Saffire system, so I can easily transcribe and patch in sound sources. I can even simply and directly record from internet radio, or my house music system to capture loop material (I use Sonos for sound management). For $150 investment, it has dramatically simplified my routing issues, and is very useful for additional headphone mixes and auditioning. I have one of the Saffire outputs into the mixer, and split the output into 2 stereo slices of the patch panel. 

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