Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of!

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2011/03/29 10:17:14 (permalink)

Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of!

Love X1 & I love my Emulator X3, but together they have a bit of a problem, not sure who's to blame, but if anyone can provide an answer, I would greatly appreciate it, thanks!
 
Problem:  I load Emulator X3 as a VST.  I want to edit the name of one of the samples I'm using.  When I attempt to rename the sample, instead of the name being typed in, the keyboard acts as if I'm trying to run the shortcut instead of basic typing functions.   The only workaround I've been able to come up with is to build my entire kit in standalone mode and hope that I don't need to rename anything once I load it up as a VST, which to be honest is a horrible workaround.
 
2nd Issue:  When running X3 as a standalone and then open Sonar.  They don't play nice in this setup at all.  Sonar will not run properly when X3 is in standalone mode.  I have it set to share driver with other devices(or whatever that setting is).  But, Sonar basically tells me that there's a problem running because it cannot access the audio driver.   When I close X3, Sonar starts working again.
 
I would really like advice on how to resolve the 1st issue, because its mainly how I would like to use Emulator X3.  If someone knows why I'm getting the 2nd issue, I appreciate that as well.
 
 
Thanks to anyone who can help!
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    Destro
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/03/29 14:51:31 (permalink)
    I take it, no on has this problem?  Or no one has Emulator X3 and X1?
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/03/29 15:53:43 (permalink)
    Destro,
     
    I have Emulator X, not X3, but I can relate to your liking of the instrument.
     
    I'm not at my DAW now, so I can't confirm, but as far as issue 1, it may be as simple as temporarily clicking on the "give all keystrokes to plugin" button that I think is in the upper right of all plugin windows. So it may not be related to this specific VST.
     
    For issue 2, it takes two to share, so if X3 doesn't have a setting for sharing drivers, then it is the culprit preventing Sonar from opening.
     
    Hope I haven't steered you wrong.
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    Destro
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/03/29 16:07:20 (permalink)
    Thanks Ptheisen!! I will go home and check that out.   Check out X3 if you get a chance, its a workhorse, but you already know, thanks again!
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/03/29 23:27:04 (permalink)
    Unfortunately, give all keystrokes to plugin, did not resolve my issue?  I tried changing the name of the sample to "drum," and when I pressed "D" the multidock went away because of the keybinding. 
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/03/30 20:39:13 (permalink)
    Well, that's too bad.

    I'm afraid I don't have any more ideas, and I don't have X1 or X3, so I can't do any truly valid experimenting. This might be a hard one to figure out.

    I'm not even sure how you're trying to rename your sample. I tried to do what I thought you meant, and I couldn't change the name no matter what. I was opening the Emulator VST window, clicking on the sample folder, right clicking a sample, and choosing the rename option. But nothing I typed under any circumstance went into the name box even though it looked like it should. Are you doing something different?
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/03/30 21:05:39 (permalink)
    I own Emulator X3 also. I have just confirmed the issue that the OP is having. The plugin seems to ignore the Give all Keystrokes setting. The only workaround that I can think of (and have tested) is to use Copy & Paste to paste the text that you want to type.

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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/03/30 23:12:37 (permalink)
    Thanks eBlue, so it is a Sonar issue.  Ptheisen, the very way you tried to change the name is the very way I tried and nothing was typed in.  Instead the keys reacted to the "keybindings," that were associated with the letters I was trying to type in.  Now if your version of Emulator X doesn't do it and myself and eBlue can't get it to work, who's issue is it then?  Cakewalk or Emu aka Creative Labs? 

    As for a workaround that can work, its a bit "extra," but work it for that sampler. 
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/03/31 00:17:02 (permalink)
    Destro:

    How about unbinding D as the key binder associated with the MultiDock and assign the MultiDock to something else like the H key? Then, still use the "give all keystrokes to plug in" feature, and see if that works.

    Also, maybe try running X1 as an administrator (if you're not already) and see if that helps the keybinding matter or the Share Drivers with other programs matter?


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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/03/31 09:57:03 (permalink)
    Thomasabarnes: 

    I would have to unbind all the letters because it's not specific to the letter D, its happens to any letter that has been binded.  I had this issue since day 1(Dec 25th) of my X1 ownership, just haven't had the time to bring it to anyone's attention.  

    Also, its not the binding because letters that are not "binded," don't register anything.  If the "Give all keystrokes to plugin," is supposed to resolve things like this, than the Emulator X3 ignores this option or Sonar X1 doesn't like that option for the X3(too many Xes, lol). 

    I'll try running as admin, but I'd be shocked if that works to resolve this keystrokes issue.  As far as the shared drivers, do both apps need to support "driver sharing," for it to work?  If so, than it's a no go, as emulator X3 does not have this option. 


    I'd hate for such a specific issue to get overlooked, so I hope the people at CW are watching, maybe a small hotfix can be created for this.  
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/03/31 09:57:11 (permalink)
    Thomasabarnes: 

    I would have to unbind all the letters because it's not specific to the letter D, its happens to any letter that has been binded.  I had this issue since day 1(Dec 25th) of my X1 ownership, just haven't had the time to bring it to anyone's attention.  

    Also, its not the binding because letters that are not "binded," don't register anything.  If the "Give all keystrokes to plugin," is supposed to resolve things like this, than the Emulator X3 ignores this option or Sonar X1 doesn't like that option for the X3(too many Xes, lol). 

    I'll try running as admin, but I'd be shocked if that works to resolve this keystrokes issue.  As far as the shared drivers, do both apps need to support "driver sharing," for it to work?  If so, than it's a no go, as emulator X3 does not have this option. 


    I'd hate for such a specific issue to get overlooked, so I hope the people at CW are watching, maybe a small hotfix can be created for this.  
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/03/31 13:33:23 (permalink)
    Another thing to try to get SONAR and Emulator X3 running at the same time is to use ASIO for one (say ASIO for SONAR) and WDM (or some other driver other than ASIO, such as DirectSound) for the other.


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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/03/31 17:20:58 (permalink)
    Destro,

    Since we've confirmed that we are trying to do the same thing, then it may be helpful to know that, at least with my combination of Emulator X and Sonar 8.5.3, the behavior does change when activating the "give all keystrokes" button, but it still is not right.

    What I mean is this: I set up a single key binding to do a Sonar function, in this case, open the synth rack. No other keys had bindings. When "give all keystrokes" was activated, the key binding did NOT open the synth rack, and when "give all keystrokes" was not activated, it did open the synth rack. So Sonar seemed to be responding as expected. The problem was that Emulator did not allow any keystrokes, bound or unbound, into the rename box, regardless of the "give all keystrokes" status. One other thing I observed that may be related is that when the rename option is selected, the VST window loses focus (the title bar becomes unhighlighted). So the symptoms I'm seeing make me inclined to think the problem is with Emulator, not Sonar. But, who knows?
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/04/01 13:31:35 (permalink)
    I've joined this thread as I've just tried to use Emulator X3 in X1, and the CPU is pegged, making it unusable.  The Studio Grand that comes with the base setup plays about 1 out of 3 notes.  I've played with the buffers to see if that would make a difference (I'm on an i7 2.8 with 18 gig of ram), and it hasn't helped at all.  The same system, using Sonar 8.5, consumes 10-12% of CPU cycles.

    I'm on Windows 7-64, and using the Emulator 64-bit VSTi.  I note in the prior references that Destro is using Emulator in stand-alone mode.  Destro, is this because of issues in using it as a plugin?

    One other thing - I'm using NI plugins (Kontakt 4.0, FM8, etc.) and East West Symphonic Orchestra and Symphonic Choirs, with no problem at all in X1.  It's _just_ Emulator.

    Any ideas, other than running in stand alone mode?

    Thanks!

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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/04/01 16:30:34 (permalink)
    @Nealt, I have a Core i7 920 running at 3.32 and only 4 gigs of ram and I dont have any issues with the sampler bogging the CPU down.  I have it set to use 'multiple cores(2)."  Also I'm running Win7 64 & Emulator X3 64 VSTi, it plays fine no issues there.   I use it in standalone mode to build my kits and then load it in as a plugin to record my kits.  If I could rename my samples when using the plugin form I wouldn't need to bother with the standalone mode.    Someone suggested just using copy and paste, I think this will work, since Notepad is light, but it's annoying.   The sampler is so good though I'll deal with the BS.   I sent this off to Emu to see what they say, so now I'm in waiting for a response mode.
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/04/01 18:21:04 (permalink)
    Thanks, Destro, good to hear that it's working as a plugin in 64 bit mode for you (other than the typing problem).  I'll check the multiple core setting.  I certainly understand your frustration in typing the names!
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/04/05 08:56:10 (permalink)
    Ptheisen, what version of Windows are you running?  I'm working with E-mu to try and figure it out.  They weren't able to duplicate the problem under Sonar 8.5 & XP, but they haven't tested the issue under Win7 64-bit, using Sonar X1 & Emulator X3. 
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    Re:Emulator X3 & Sonar X1 don't play nice, sort of! 2011/04/05 14:34:51 (permalink)
    Destro,

    I'm running Windows XP SP3 32 bit, Sonar 8.5.3 and Emulator X 1.52. Are you saying that E-mu could not duplicate the problem under those conditions? If so, there could be other factors involved, which may be really hard to determine. We may have to start listing every piece of hardware and software in our systems!
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