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End of FireWire?
I just noticed this in Tom's Hardware review of the latest mid-priced Motherboards:
ASUS P8Z77-V Pro:
"The long-expected FireWire controller is also missing, though most users no longer use it."
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DeeringAmps
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 10:47:14
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To quote FZ "Firewire isn't dead, it just smells bad"  I'm still using it, RME is still using/supporting it. Not quite in its "death rattle" yet... T
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Fog
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 10:50:39
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it'll stay around for a long time regardless.. remember it's used in video as well and has been a standard in that for 12+ years now I guess :)
no biggy, just get an add-on card.
my board has firewire on it , *BUT* because it's not a Ti chipset I'd still probably have to get an add on card if I used firewire (never have, doubt I ever will)
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yorolpal
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 10:53:45
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You mean my newish MOTU Audio Express is already obsolete?? Well ain't that somethin? Tempus Fugits.
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DeeringAmps
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 10:55:53
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Fog
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 11:00:16
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yorolpal
You mean my newish MOTU Audio Express is already obsolete?? Well ain't that somethin? Tempus Fugits.
you didn't get the email ?  no panic.. I'm sure it's fine and you won't get a bad case of GAS
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 11:06:27
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I'm still using it, and I suspect many, many others are as well.
Question - is Tom basing his "most users no longer use it."on the DAW market?
Thought not.
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John T
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 11:11:14
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I think it's definitely on the downward slope of its lifespan.
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jabdo56
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 11:55:11
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This is one thing Apple got right -- they continue to support both Firewire 400 and 800. Very disappointing to not be able to find a notebook with firewire. I use my ancient workhorse HP for recording live gigs. I want to upgrade but the only notebook I can find with firewire is a Sony Viao.
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Joe_A
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 12:06:21
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LANEY
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 12:09:20
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Never have and never will use it!
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daryl1968
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 12:14:52
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LANEY
Never have and never will use it!
Firewire is the devil
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bapu
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 12:19:41
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I use FW for my Tascam FW-1884 (used only as a control surface now).
Jabdo56, yes it's bit pricey but my ADK laptop has Firewire, USB2 & 3, Express slot, E-Sata slot and it houses 3 hard drives.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 12:44:59
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 12:46:12
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The firewire protocol is now part of the thunderbolt specification. You will see break out boxes wich will contain all sorts of connectors. I expect Thunderbolt to take off in second quarter of 2012.
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bapu
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 12:51:52
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Muziekschuur at home
I expect Thunderbolt to take off in second quarter of 2012.
I think the Maya predicted that too.
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 13:12:35
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Next you're gonna tell me that XP is going away, too! I'll wake up one morning to discover that nothing works anymore, not my FW interface, not my O/S, not my 2004 Yukon. OK, that last one's a distinct possibility. I'm holding my breath that my obsolete SONAR 8.5 won't get a black orchid in the mail.
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 13:17:47
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bitflipper
Next you're gonna tell me that XP is going away, too! I'll wake up one morning to discover that nothing works anymore, not my FW interface, not my O/S, not my 2004 Yukon. OK, that last one's a distinct possibility. I'm holding my breath that my obsolete SONAR 8.5 won't get a black orchid in the mail.
Let me get this right. You're running 8.5 on XP with firewire? If so there is no hope for you at all. You are beyond redemption....
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bapu
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 13:19:22
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bitflipper
Next you're gonna tell me that XP is going away, too! I'll wake up one morning to discover that nothing works anymore, not my FW interface, not my O/S, not my 2004 Yukon. OK, that last one's a distinct possibility. I'm holding my breath that my obsolete SONAR 8.5 won't get a black orchid in the mail.
Let me get this right. You're running 8.5 on XP with firewire? If so there is no hope for you at all. You are beyond redemption....
So bitflipper is Mr. UnDAW?
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ampfixer
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 15:00:24
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More likely he just wants to perfect DAW 1.0 before moving on to 2.0
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 15:19:05
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Yeh, I'm waiting for DAW 2.1.
I still think Sean Connery is the only "real" 007, the last honest politician is retired and living on a peanut farm in Georgia, and the government has no business mandating seatbelt usage. You kids get off my lawn!
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DeeringAmps
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 15:24:58
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Connery IS the only REAL 007!
That's not common knowledge, accepted fact, etc etc?
Can I put that in REAL BIG letters like Freddie??
MyBad?
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 15:41:59
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I think the only one to come close to Connery was George Lazenby in OHMSS.
Shame he only did the one film.
But Connery is the man, no doubt.
Moore is The Saint, Brosnan's too smooth, Timothy Dalton was a wanker & Craig is nowhere near sophisticated enough.
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 16:10:52
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Firewire is not dead... Less popular with the general-purpose user (than it was in the past)... but not dead... and it won't disappear in one-fell-swoop. That process will take a good long while (witness PCI slots) 
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strikinglyhandsome1
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 16:12:00
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Bob Holness beats them all.
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strikinglyhandsome1
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 16:13:49
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Trawl the old USB v Firewire threads from years ago on any forum. They show how people really don't have a clue about the subject or the future.
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yorolpal
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 16:25:03
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Word. Just check my sig. That about covers it.
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Keni
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 21:12:25
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<sheesh>...
I guess I got this just in time?
I've been running on Vista32 for the last few years and just recently received two new computers... One a liquid-cooled HP Project Blackbird (quad-3GHz 4GB RAM) which I've installed Vista64 (It's all I have) and I await having the cash to replace/purchase both an audio interface as well as an 8-port midi interface (Yes, I use hardware)... and the king! A Mac Pro with dual Xeon Quad-3.2GHz (16GB RAM!).... In need of a copy of win7 Ultimate as well as audio interface and 8-port MIDI interface...
I have no money so I've spent the last few days searching for possible options and I was thinking of getting the focusrite saffire pro40 as I've worked with it and understand how to get it's firewire working...
No I'm back to square 1 searching for a USB interface? I don't have the slightest idea what's gonna satisfy me there.... and finding the 8-port midi interface is a bit difficult... the MOTU MIDI Express XT seems a good bet...
Maybe by the time I have cash, thunderbolt will be in place? we'll see...
Thanks for bringing this stuff up before I threw out my cash... I'm suffering now for the same type of issues with my current gear (Mixtreme192 which is PCI (not PCIe)andwith only a beta driver for 64bit and it's got a caveat that it only supports oup to 2GB RAM with the Mixtreme192 so it's pointless.... and my midi interfaces are both old emagic Unitor 8's (serial), so they're long dead.... I can get them working on Vista32, but there are no 64bit drivers for it.... and the Mac doesn't even have a serial port....
Upgrade's are getting more expensive every day! <sigh>...
Keni
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Adroen
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 23:09:16
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As I've still got an original Motu Ultralite, I'm really hoping at least some good T.I. add-on cards stay in the market too. I actually switched from a life of ASUS to a Gigabyte board last year specifically to get the T.I. chip, and after checking out all their latest offerings have seen that they now have Via only onboard. Oh my little MOTU, why did they build you so well to outlast the world around you and give me such a dilemma.....I still love you though my little MOTU.
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Re:End of FireWire?
2012/05/02 23:15:49
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Keni
<sheesh>...
I guess I got this just in time?
I've been running on Vista32 for the last few years and just recently received two new computers... One a liquid-cooled HP Project Blackbird (quad-3GHz 4GB RAM) which I've installed Vista64 (It's all I have) and I await having the cash to replace/purchase both an audio interface as well as an 8-port midi interface (Yes, I use hardware)... and the king! A Mac Pro with dual Xeon Quad-3.2GHz (16GB RAM!).... In need of a copy of win7 Ultimate as well as audio interface and 8-port MIDI interface...
I have no money so I've spent the last few days searching for possible options and I was thinking of getting the focusrite saffire pro40 as I've worked with it and understand how to get it's firewire working...
No I'm back to square 1 searching for a USB interface? I don't have the slightest idea what's gonna satisfy me there.... and finding the 8-port midi interface is a bit difficult... the MOTU MIDI Express XT seems a good bet...
Maybe by the time I have cash, thunderbolt will be in place? we'll see...
Thanks for bringing this stuff up before I threw out my cash... I'm suffering now for the same type of issues with my current gear (Mixtreme192 which is PCI (not PCIe)andwith only a beta driver for 64bit and it's got a caveat that it only supports oup to 2GB RAM with the Mixtreme192 so it's pointless.... and my midi interfaces are both old emagic Unitor 8's (serial), so they're long dead.... I can get them working on Vista32, but there are no 64bit drivers for it.... and the Mac doesn't even have a serial port....
Upgrade's are getting more expensive every day! <sigh>...
Keni
Keni, If you're looking for a USB 2 interface that can achieve latency as low as the best firewire interfaces, I'd check out Roland or RME. Vastly different price points, of course. Roland's Octa-Capture is killer if you need an eight channel interface (can stack up to two units). Also, you can stack up to three Roland UM-3Gs, which are tri-port MIDI interfaces, to get a total of nine in and nine out. Not trying to obviously wave the Roland flag, but I have used all this stuff so can confidently recommend it. SP
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