Everlasting - synthpop

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2017/10/29 15:04:57 (permalink)

Everlasting - synthpop

https://soundcloud.com/cris_camp/everlasting-1
 
another annoyingly happy tune....
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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/10/29 16:03:32 (permalink)
    Sounds like a summer song to get everyone on the feet in a club. mix comes across here OK.

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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/10/30 19:04:44 (permalink)
    Nice Philly synth-pop!   Sounds pretty good from here. 

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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/02 03:21:26 (permalink)
    I love this kind of music.  I'd write it, but I don't know how to get that insanely fat and punchy synth drum/bass sound.  Tips?  And what do you use to master?  REALLY well done!

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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/02 10:45:12 (permalink)
    very nicely done. Mix is perfect for the genre
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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/02 14:13:09 (permalink)
     You guys liked it?  ..............................................................you have a weird taste in music.  Thanks ! :)
    It came out a little too repetitive this time, sorry about that....
     I think the most important is to have a balanced and good sounding mix, at low speaker volume with nothing on the master.
    Than.....
     On my master usually i have:
     - A regular EQ to cut the boxiness around 300-500Hz and boost and cut specific bands that is based on your song but usually boost the highs and the lows a bit like 1-2 db. 
    - A saturation plugin like Camel Crusher to add some subtle saturation and it also has a compressor built in. I use the "British clean" or "subtle master" presets.
    - A soft clipper like Gclip which i don't really tweak. This is to cut the spikes before the limiter so it won't distort.
    - Than i have a limiter/maximizer like Boost 11  which you want to stay below 3db of crunching.
     Sometimes i also have a compressor to "glue" the mix together but i don't really think its useful.  I don't use a multi band compressor on my master because i try to make adjustments at individual track level.
      I mix as i go so i don't have to do much when the song is done. When I'm mixing I'm using my studio monitors otherwise i like to use my headphones to hear the fine details.
     
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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/02 14:36:36 (permalink)
    What synth(s) do you use for your drum and bass tracks? Any side chain compression with the kick drum and bass synth?

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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/03 12:43:21 (permalink)
    For drums i used samples played in a sampler (Grace). For toms i used TTS1 electric set. Not much processing on drums except the snare has some distortion and reverb and some filter automation.
    The main bass is from Rapture LE "Fake Fanfare brass" where i changed some stuff like filter cut-off . Another higher layer of bass is Z3ta + preset C085. Another deeper layer of bass is from Synth1 a preset from Bigtone.zip called 21:BT oldschool lead. A  Pad from Rapture LE  "bed of partials". In the mid part there is a bass from U-he Zebralette "tas techno bass" preset.  For the lead sounds i used Neo Piano, Rapture Session and T-force Alpha Plus. Not all the layers plays together all the time. There is filter automation going on through the whole track.
    All the bass track are ducked to the kick with side chain compression, in different amounts. For side chaining i used a ghost track but you can use the kick  track itself.  All the lead and bass tacks are EQ- ed so i cut some of the low end to leave room for the kick and the bass.
     So to get a fat bass sound probably you want to layer multiple sounds and EQ the low end just to leave room for the kick, but not too much. When you layer sounds you want to layer sounds of different frequency bands, like a lows, mids, upper mids, otherwise at low frequencies thy could interfere and sound bad...Also you want to use side chain compression from the kick drum to everything that can clash with the kick. Instead of side chaining sometimes i use Tal Filter 2.   You can't have loud kick or loud bass in a track and you have to choose from the beginning which one to dominate.
    The best advice is to listen to some good music that you want to make and analyze it in details .  
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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/03 17:11:01 (permalink)
    I like this, it's uplifting. Some good dynamics in there with the breakdowns, and that kick drum really...kicks!

     
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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/03 17:39:37 (permalink)
    I think you have this genre mastered.  Ever tried symphonic music or jazz?

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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/04 12:33:41 (permalink)
    I' far from mastering.......really anything...But thank you David.  Tried symphonic before but i would have to study the
    orchestration a little bit better... Maybe some Hans Zimmer stuff would be cool...not sure about jazz , that's too complex for me .
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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/04 14:08:38 (permalink)
    ChrisX 
    another annoyingly happy tune....




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    Nicely done... Great dynamics and a lovely tune to boot... Strange taste in music? Guilty as charged

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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/04 16:43:16 (permalink)
    ChrisX, thanks for the detailed info! A couple questions about side chaining, if you don't mind: What do you mean by a "ghost" track? I'm imagining a copy of the kick drum track that is muted and sent to the compressor. So then why not just send the original kick drum track; why send a "ghosted" version? Also, what compressor do you use to side chain the bass? Can't remember if the CA2A (my go-to) has a side chain input.

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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/04 18:05:05 (permalink)
    mrpippy2...you can use any compressor that accepts side chaining. Sonitus is fine. When I'm in Reaper i also use the inbuilt compressor. They are all good for the task. In fact i only use the compressor, EQ, gate and other basic plugins that comes with my DAW and at least I can be sure that the routing will work.
      Ghost track is a copy that is only used as a side chain signal to other tracks and no audio output.
      Ghost track because sometimes you what the "pumping" going on even when there is no drum kick playing.
      If you want to learn more i suggest you to watch some youtube tutorials. Doesn't have to be DAW specific as these techniques are very similar in every music program... 
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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/04 19:14:24 (permalink)
    It’s outside of my wheel house but I liked it. Is this known as “trance” music?
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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/04 20:06:47 (permalink)
    Films don't interest me, but Hanz Zimmer is a good goal.  Have you seen this?  BTW the reason I'm saying this is because your tunes are so lyrical (therefore you might translate to other genres).
     
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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/04 20:37:04 (permalink)
    - String Jammer ...nooo this is not trance ...but is funny because that's what I'm aiming for :). Trance has multiple sub genres but the one i like is more melodic and vocal trance. Similar to this track from Above and Beyond :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBeMQ2V3yuk
     As for my songs, in the industry is called  "ASP" .............................. Amateur Synth Pop ...but really I'm not listening at all to pop music and I can't explain it why they "pop" at the end. I have to work on that...
    - eph221 ... that looks like a nice class and for 90 bucks, to learn from the Maestro, is worth the money...  But I'm also not much interested in film score. You really have to be talented  to be noticed and to get the opportunity to work with film producers because otherwise is a waste of time from my point of view.  I like to do what I'm doing now where it's all on me and I can share it fast with people...it's just a creative hobby for me, nothing more.
     
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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/05 00:52:53 (permalink)
    Thanks ChrisX, I now understand the possible need for a ghost track more clearly. I think I will seek out a few videos on sidechaining kick drum and bass, as I really like the sound you got on this track.

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    Re: Everlasting - synthpop 2017/11/05 00:53:05 (permalink)
    Thanks ChrisX, I now understand the possible need for a ghost track more clearly. I think I will seek out a few videos on sidechaining kick drum and bass, as I really like the sound you got on this track.

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