mritenburg
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Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
I'm sure I accidentally changed something, but now everything I record is early by an 8th note or so. After I stop recording and play back all newly recorded audio tracks are early. I even checked audio recorded from an external synth using a MIDI track that is exactly quantized. I'm not sure which settings to check. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/04 23:20:53
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Check you are in ASIO mode. All other modes have no way to accurately calculate timing offset. 
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mritenburg
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/05 00:47:34
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Definitely in ASIO mode, so that's not it.
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/05 03:56:18
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OK, what audio interface are you using?
Only place you can change the timing offset is in Preferances/ Audio look at the bottom for manual offset
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mritenburg
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/05 17:31:48
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I have a Steinberg UR22.
This problem appeared for me the first time the other day.
I have not changed anything, I have not installed Windows updates, I have not installed new drivers, nothing. I'm running the latest release of SPLAT on a beefy i7-7700K with 32gb of ram and SSD's.
Also, my problem is opposite of the screen shot you posted. After recording, my audio plays before the MIDI note that triggered it. My audio tracks look like your Tascam US1641 WDM, except the audio is offset before the MIDI note, not after.
Thanks for your help though!
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/05 18:09:59
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I have a UR44 and have a problem where every now and again recorded audio fails to properly line up with the start and end of the loop points (I always loop record). When it happens I open preferences and re-apply the driver settings, and then it works properly...for a while. It is intermittent so sometimes everything is great, and then sometimes I'll lose some really great work. I am in the process of getting to know Studio One, so it will be interesting to see whether this is a Sonar problem or a Steinberg driver problem that affects other DAWs. FWIW this started happening sometime in 2017. I had no such problems 18 months ago - so something definately changed to make this start happening for me.  UR44 latest drivers, SPLAT lifetime(!) most recent update, Win 7.
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mritenburg
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/05 22:19:39
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I tried reapplying the driver. It didn't do anything. I don't understand why this just started happening a day ago when it has not happened before. You can see the audio track is off-set well before the MIDI note that triggered it. I'm not recording through plugins or anything. 
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mritenburg
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/05 22:31:52
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Same computer, same audio interface, same MIDI, same outboard synth recorded in Studio One. No issues: 
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/09 00:36:23
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/09 05:29:26
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same outboard synth?
To perform a loop back test you freeze a VST You can see I used SI drums and a Kick
You run the audio interface output back to an input and re record the sound. Make sure input echo is off on the new audio track.
Your use of an outboard synth would point a midi driver issue. Not anything to do with your interface unless your using it's midi ports.
Offset timing is hard to wrap your brain around.
Your input will be delayed comming in buy the input latency. So the DAW has to play the already recorded tracks ,including midi ahead of time to make up for that.
Your situation is your bypassing your audio output delay and the note is triggered sooner than it is supposed to be played. I'm only guessing. Is the connection to the outboard synth USB or MIDI?
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/09 05:56:06
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There a setting in prefferences. Some thing like midi offset. Not sure abt the name (currently away from computer). It should be at 0. If not all midi data will be offset by the value entered there. Hope someone else guides u with exact details.
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/09 20:53:31
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set up to accept Windows update ?
Sometimes they reset driver values to their default positions.
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mritenburg
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/10 00:04:51
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I appreciate the feedback, but this is not a driver issue. The problem is localized to Sonar. I have Studio One installed on the same computer and it uses the same audio interface through the same driver. The offset occurs in Sonar and not in Studio One (I posted two screen shots above). chuckebaby
set up to accept Windows update ?
Sometimes they reset driver values to their default positions.
No. I posted above that I have not installed updates. I have updates turned off. Also, I followed the advice above and re-applied my drivers. It had no effect.
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/11 10:25:08
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In Preferences> Sync and Caching check if Timing Offset and Manual offset values are set at zero.
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mritenburg
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/12 18:59:02
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sonarman1
In Preferences> Sync and Caching check if Timing Offset and Manual offset values are set at zero.
I don't have Preferences>Sync and Caching. I have Preferences>Audio>Sync and Caching. I also don't have 'Timing Offset.' I have 'Record Latency Adjustment (samples)' that includes Manual Offset, which is currently set to 0, and a check box labeled 'Use ASIO reported latency' which is currently unchecked. I tried checking the ASIO latency box, but it had no effect. My recordings are still offset early.
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/13 16:39:54
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"MIDI timing offset" is shifted to the right under "Full Chase Lock" which is under "Synchronization" on the "Sync and Caching" page. Maybe you are running a different version of the software?
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/13 17:28:15
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Read his post # 5 He's up to date. I've pondered this issue and can't think of anything you haven't already tried. But somewhere a setting must have changed if all was working beforehand. I don't have an audio interface for this computer so that will make a bit of a difference in settings but here is what my settings look like. You really should never have to change the timing offset for audio in ASIO mode. And this is a midi issue anyway.  
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/13 21:07:07
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Have any of your audio tracks got a plugin with look-ahead functionality, or maybe just one with a hell of a lot of latency?
It might be trying freezing your audio tracks before recording MIDI, so you're not recording along with something that is actually delayed.
[EDIT] - I once had this when I had the Lursenn Mastering Console still enabled on the master mix on my old machine (which was SLOW).
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Re: Everything I record is now early by an 8th note
2018/01/14 22:22:53
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msmcleod
Have any of your audio tracks got a plugin with look-ahead functionality, or maybe just one with a hell of a lot of latency?
I think you are on to something here. I by-passed all FX using the button in the mix module and the problem went away. I never record through plugins, so I didn't think it was FX. As I understand your post, some plugin on another track can affect the timing offset of a new track I am recording? Now to narrow down the culprit. Are there any plugins that are obvious choices?
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