Exporting to OMF and Take Lanes

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2015/08/10 11:26:57 (permalink)

Exporting to OMF and Take Lanes

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Here's the situation. 
Did a film ADR session. I recorded the actors in looping mode so they could do the part over and over. So Sonar placed each take in it's own take lane. 
 
Now someone else will be doing the editing and I need to send them the files. I've usually done this by sending an OMF. How will Sonar deal with the different take lanes in the OMF file? 
 
Basically I want them to open the files on the other end and not have to take days moving parts around. Any ideas are appreciated. 
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    Re: Exporting to OMF and Take Lanes 2015/08/10 11:47:40 (permalink)
    Can you just choose the takes you want, bounce to clips, and send the bounced track?

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    Re: Exporting to OMF and Take Lanes 2015/08/10 11:49:26 (permalink)
    No. They're choosing. 
    I'm moving on to another project and they want the raw tracks. I want to make it as easy for all of us. 
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    Re: Exporting to OMF and Take Lanes 2015/08/10 20:37:06 (permalink)
    In this case I would move each take to separate tracks, then export all the tracks for them to use as they please...

    Sonar will play all of the Lanes together if they are not muted...

    Another alternative woukd be to solo each lane and export one at a time
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    Re: Exporting to OMF and Take Lanes 2015/08/10 20:53:18 (permalink)
    Can takes be copied to tracks in one go? I never tried that before.

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    Re: Exporting to OMF and Take Lanes 2015/08/10 21:02:04 (permalink)
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    Can takes be copied to tracks in one go? I never tried that before.


    I'm not sure. There may be a way. Maybe someone else will know. I've always either dragged each lane to a track or cloned the track as many times as there are Lanes (easy to set the number of cloned tracks in the clone dialog) then delete all but one lane in each track making sure to end up with one different lane for each track...

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    Re: Exporting to OMF and Take Lanes 2015/08/10 22:29:21 (permalink)
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    No. They're choosing. 
    I'm moving on to another project and they want the raw tracks. I want to make it as easy for all of us. 


     
    Have them buy SONAR (even the Artist version) and learn how to speed-comp. 
    It's the easiest/most efficient way (unless the track contains tens of lanes).

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    Re: Exporting to OMF and Take Lanes 2015/08/11 00:47:03 (permalink)
    Hi, Justin
     
    Sonar does not appear to support exploding takes to tracks, so there is going to be a significant amount of tedious manual manipulation to get the takes into separate tracks for export.
     
    The different methods that Keni suggested will get the job done, but maybe we can brainstorm a method that will eliminate some finicky track-to-track drag-and-drop operations or opening the export menu dozens of times.
     
    Assumptions and disclaimers:
    The project uses "per project" audio folders and not the global audio folder.
    You didn't mention whether you used Comping or Sound on Sound recording mode, but Comping mode will probably require more effort to un-mute clips in the takes.
    I have no idea how large your project is with regards to number of tracks, takes, or clips.
     
    You may look at the suggested procedure below and question my sanity, but you won't be the first to question my sanity. 
     
     
    Scenario:
    Project name:  "Test85"
    Track 1:  "Actor 1" with 4 takes
    Track 2:  "Actor 2" with 4 takes
     
    Procedure:
    1.  Open Browser and select the Media tab.  Navigate to the Audio folder inside the "Test85" Project folder.
    2.  Expand the Take lanes for "Actor 1".
    3.  Make sure all clips in all of the lanes are un-muted.  If you used Sound on Sound, then you may be lucky and none of your clips are muted.  If you used Comping mode, then you will have to select all muted clips and use the "K" keyboard shortcut to un-mute them.
    4.  Select the first take (the last one in the list, since they are in reverse order) and make sure all clips in the take lane are selected.
    5.  Use Bounce to Clips to create a new audio file for the first take.  The Browser will display the new files as "Actor 1 (Bounced, number)".  Sonar increments the number for each subsequent Bounce of the take (ex.  "Actor 1 (Bounced, 7)", "Actor 1 (Bounced 8)", etc.). 
    6.  Repeat steps 4 and 5 for the remaining takes in the "Actor 1" track.
    7.  Use Shift-Click to select all 4 newly created files and drag them into the Track view.  Sonar will automatically create 4 new tracks with names that match the file names.
    8.  Repeat steps 2 through 7 for the "Actor 2" track.
     
    There is still cleanup to do with track naming etc. before exporting, but the 8 steps here should get you started.
     
    I recommend that you create a keyboard shortcut for Bounce to Clips to speed up the process (I use CTRL+B).
     
    While there is still a significant amount of manual effort in the procedure, there is no dragging of clips from one track to another, manually creating tracks new tracks, cloning, or multiple use of the export dialog.  I was able to complete the procedure for both tracks in the example in less than 2 minutes.
     
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    Re: Exporting to OMF and Take Lanes 2015/08/11 02:45:48 (permalink)
    Hmmm, that made me wonder. With a new project you "should" be able to import audio on a track, select the takes and they should come in as separate tracks. I wouldn't think that SONAR would "recognize" them as takes, but not sure.

    I will have to test that when I get a moment, but this thread would be a nice feature request for SONAR users to be able to accommodate other DAWs.
     
    Edit: I just tried this, and takes do not show up as discrete audio in the project audio folder. This is a no-go.
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    Re: Exporting to OMF and Take Lanes 2015/08/11 02:58:48 (permalink)
    I would simply enable "Store Takes in Separate Tracks" in Preferences -> Project -> Record and set a loop region and start recording. This will eliminate the need to manually move the takes to separate tracks.

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    Re: Exporting to OMF and Take Lanes 2015/08/11 08:30:55 (permalink)
    icontakt
    I would simply enable "Store Takes in Separate Tracks" in Preferences -> Project -> Record and set a loop region and start recording. This will eliminate the need to manually move the takes to separate tracks.


    That is a nice tip Had not thought of that.

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