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Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
Does anyone know of a way to extend the range of DP instruments? I need to have a sopranino recorder. I am using the Wood Flute as my soprano recorder, but it doesn't go up high enough.
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/19 22:12:57
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☄ Helpfulby karhide 2015/06/20 01:35:01
Good news: You can do this! Bad news: You have to learn how to modify the SFZ files that control the mappings. Good news: It's not that hard to do so. Bad news: It was probably limited to that range because it sounded pretty bad when transposed out of that range. Good news: Maybe you can get some fashionably freakish sounds that way! Bad news: Not all of the public likes fashionably freakish sounds. Good news: Part of the public does. Generally, I extend notes below "where they're supposed to go," for example with guitar expansion packs I often go all the way down to B to complement 5-string basses.
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/19 22:22:45
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Wow, I took a look at your tutorial, Craig. Not sure I'm geeky enough to pull something like this off. (Your instructions are flawlessly logical; the problem is entirely with me). While I ponder, I decided to try the TTS recorder. Not bad, not bad at all. But I will keep this in mind, for a rainy day (ice storm, blizzard, etc).
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 00:02:48
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michael diemer
Wow, I took a look at your tutorial, Craig. Not sure I'm geeky enough to pull something like this off.
The tutorial probably makes it look more complicated than it is because I was trying to go fairly in-depth. You'll find some of the SFZ files in my expansion packs are quite simple because the samples themselves do all the work. But you've given me a great idea for an article..."SFZs Made Simple" with how to do really basic things, like...extend the range of an instrument.
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 00:34:05
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I'll be looking forward to it, and thanks!
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 00:45:55
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I did a search in the DPro multisample folder for "Wood" and found a "Wood Flute.sfz" in the "22 - Ethnic and Word Instruments" folder. Assuming this is the subject of this thread, the file contains these instructions:
<control>
default_path=Wood Flute\
<region> sample=WDFLTG3.flac key=g3 lokey=c3
<region> sample=WDFLTC4.flac key=c4 lokey=g#3
<region> sample=WDFLTE4.flac key=e4 lokey=c#4
<region> sample=WDFLTG4.flac key=g4 lokey=f4
<region> sample=WDFLTA4.flac key=a4 lokey=g#4
<region> sample=WDFLTC5.flac key=c5 lokey=a#4
<region> sample=WDFLTE5.flac key=e5 lokey=c#5
<region> sample=WDFLTG5.flac key=g5 lokey=f5
<region> sample=WDFLTB5.flac key=b5 lokey=g#5
<region> sample=WDFLTC6.flac key=c6
<region> sample=WDFLTG6.flac key=g6 lokey=c#6 hikey=c7
The simplest change is to alter the hikey value of the last line from c7 to whatever you want. You might get a better result by adding pitch shifted version(s) of WDFLTG6.flac instead of relying on DPro to do the all pitch though.
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 00:59:47
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Whoa, that's outstanding, scook! Like people say, this place is amazing in terms of the knowledge and willingness to help, not to mention the speed of response. For that reason alone it would be hard to leave Sonar. This I think maybe I could do. Hopefully I don't render it inoperable.... PS - yes that is the instrument. I don't know if it's an actual recorder or not, but it sounds like one.
post edited by michael diemer - 2015/06/20 01:06:55
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 01:07:38
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sfz files are plain text. Make a copy of the sfz file before loading into the text editor of your choice, just in case. You could also open the program in DPro and save it to another name and modify the new program to use your custom copy of the sfz file.
post edited by scook - 2015/06/20 01:14:25
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 01:19:36
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I tried it and, Behold, it worked! Pretty cool. I had to reload the instrument, and it played the high notes fine. To think it could be that simple...and my computer is still in one piece!
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 01:33:23
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Yeah, sfz and samples are read once when the program is loaded. You need to reload anytime changes are made. sfz is really powerful and you have thousands of examples already installed on your PC. Glad it worked for you. You might want to create a new folder in multisamples for your custom sfz files and a folder for your custom programs in ProgramData. It could make migration easier when move to a new machine.
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 05:49:22
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This is very exciting indeed  Will have to try this myself.
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 07:02:19
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Wow. This sounds interesting but is way over my head. I'll be needing that "SFZs made simple" article.
Be sure sure to start with "this is an SFZ, and this is what it is for, and this is what it does... etc." LOL
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 07:12:14
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Wow. This sounds interesting but is way over my head. I'll be needing that "SFZs made simple" article.
Be sure sure to start with "this is an SFZ, and this is what it is for, and this is what it does... etc." LOL
A SFZ made simple, would be awesome. I understand what they write, but have never tried myself, due to lack of knowledge. And the lack of knowledge is massive, so a simplified version would make me dare take the plunge into the unknown
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 12:31:46
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So, I can make my own little sfz synth and load it with my custom samples? This is wonderful. So many possibilities come to my mind: by extending the range of instruments, I can make: an alto trombone...hecklephone...bass trumpet...bigass tuba...
This should be fun!
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 12:33:07
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michael diemer
Not sure I'm geeky enough to pull something like this off.
Well, so much for your inability to geek as needed
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 12:54:08
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michael diemer
So, I can make my own little sfz synth and load it with my custom samples?
Yes Here http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html in the "Musical Instrument Samples" menu are quite a few instrument samples, if you do not have enough already. sfz can do much more than bind a sample to a range of notes. If you want a good book about sfz and Cakewalk synths in general get Simon Cann's "Cakewalk Synthesizers"
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2015/06/20 13:05:52
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michael diemer
Not sure I'm geeky enough to pull something like this off.
Well, so much for your inability to geek as needed
Just trying to maintain some humility in the presence of those who will always be light-years ahead of me.
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Re: Extend Range Of Dimension Pro Instruments?
2015/06/20 13:08:16
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Thanks again Steve for the info, I'll check these out. Thanks also to Craig for your continual efforts to help us all.
post edited by michael diemer - 2015/06/20 13:14:28
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