AnsweredExtend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing?

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2015/09/04 10:37:29 (permalink)

Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing?

I discovered something I wasn't expecting yesterday when attempting to goof around with some bus automation envelopes. The Aim Assist line does not extend into the Track View's Bus Pane. It only shows in the Clips Pane. I've gotten so reliant on that helpful dotted line I found it rather disorienting trying to line up my cursor to just the right spot for nodes and whatnot.
 
So just seeing if maybe there is an option somewhere to remedy this (probably not but worth a shot). If not this is a feature request (and can get moved to the appropriate forum).
 
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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/04 10:43:39 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Beepster 2015/09/04 10:55:42
The request already exists, http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3102234
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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/04 10:46:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2015/09/04 10:55:46
Aye, I put in a request for this too a while back.

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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/04 10:47:30 (permalink)
Fair enough. Off to upvote it.
 
Thanks, guys.
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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/04 10:58:00 (permalink)
I don't know if Aim Assist will ever make it to the bus area with track-to-track routing, the bus track will be available in the track area. In the interim, consider using the side-chain trick to redirect output to a track if Aim Assist is necessary and either leave the it setup or copy the automation back to a bus track.
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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/04 11:13:15 (permalink)
I think the simplest workaround for my needs is to just drag the bus I want to edit to the very top of the bus pane and fully minimize the bus control area. That way the Aim Assist line is only a centimeter or so away from the actual work area in the automation lane. Not perfect should still be reasonably precise.
 
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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/04 11:15:24 (permalink)
Piece of tape, string and a washer and the bus would not need to be at the top or
use Now time marker
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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/04 11:22:39 (permalink)
Did you just make a funny, Mr. Cook?
 
lol
 
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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/04 11:25:29 (permalink)
yes and no
I don't use tape on my monitor.
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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/04 12:02:12 (permalink)
The Now Time is indeed a way to get an extra level of accuracy down into bus pane but does pose some problems within my workflow. Before I got used to Aim Assist I did actually (and n00bishly) use the NT for nailing down specific points on the on the vertical axis.
 
Of course the NT is fixed and requires specific actions to move (I have disabled the Set Now Time on left click because it was really annoying to me in general workflow). On top of that I have become quite deterred from having the Now Time anywhere near areas where I plan to do HID (click) actions in the Track View because it seems to overide certain input commands when you click exactly where the NT is. Generally the only thing I set the NT for to cause an action are for basic keyboard commands like making a split (S) or inserting a marker (M). I'm sure if I spent some more time studying the various tool behavior and keybindings that interact with the Now Time marker I could feel a little more relaxed with it being in my work area but you know how it is... there is a mountain of methods and once you find a workflow that works it's hard to break habits and prejudices.
 
The one thing I will be looking into though if I can ever get over this current period of lethargy (my body, mind and external life factors seem to be imposing a small end of summer break/vacation on me) is what key and/or tool commands will induce single and double nodes to be added based on NT position. Like "Select Envelope/Lane > Set Now Time > Press ??? = Inserts Single Node" or "Select Envelope/Lane > Set Now Time > Press ??? = Inserts Two Nodes"
 
I am of course more interested in the two node insertion so I can just grab the line in between two points where I have performed this action and adjust just that section without any diagonal wackiness causing anything other than a consistent parameter adjustment for that entire range. So I drag the line down by -6db or whatever I get a -6db for that entire range.
 
As you can see... I just need a full on study of automation and to spend some time putting it into action so it sticks. It would likely provide some good workarounds for this issue and a mountain of others.
 
I just gotta get my head back in the game. I'm burnt out after a very busy year studying and using the program.
 
Maybe this weekend.
 
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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/04 12:48:43 (permalink)
Since this post won't unnecessarily bump the thread (it's still at the top) I just thought I'd mention that a) the above ramble was more just me thinking outloud (well typing) for my own problem solving process and to hopefully kickstart my seemingly lethargic brain back into it all and b) not really pertininent to the specific task that inspired this because I realized a better workaround for the problem. Of course I'll still need to do this type of stuff in the future (very near future I'm assuming) so the point is still valid.
 
Basically (and again just thinking out loud) my "problem" was I have two MIDI tracks I wanted to turn down for a section. Since they are both feeding a bus I figured I'd just turn down the bus. I'm not even really sure I like that change and want to easily change it back (to try turning something else down instead because there are three possibly conflicting instruments in the parts that all sound okay in pairs but not all three at once for whatever reason).
 
Now the only reason I'd be able to make this change at bus level is because each of the three parts (all of which are comprised of multiple tracks... eg: 4 audio guitar parts, 2 MIDI orchestral parts, 2 MIDI synth parts) go to their own busses. If for whatever reason I had not set up individual busses for those groups of tracks I would not even be able to do this type of automation at bus level (without screwing with the routing and setting up busses for each parts).
 
Instead I will be creating splits in the MIDI and audio clips around the section in question and muting the clip sections of whatever I deem to be the instrumentation that gets voted off the island.
 
Of course if I just needed to TURN DOWN those clips or add some other type of momentary effect I would need a different plan... and likely want to do it at bus level (but ideally I'd want to group the automation envelopes across the tracks which apparently isn't possible based on my previous threads from a week or so ago).
 
So yeah... I think I may be getting wackier in my scheming and plotting which is why my posts might shift more into these types of problem solving questions/stream of consciousness rants/feature requests.
 
IDK... I just like a lot of strategies which the program provides. Of course there could always be more.. and simpler methods. I also seem to need a sounding board for ideas even if I'm only talking to myself. Might knock loose ideas for others in similar predicaments so I don't feel bad (mostly... lol).
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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/04 15:35:10 (permalink)
I wrote an autohotkey script to augment Aim Assist and compiled a version of the script. Both are available here http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3282220
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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/04 23:18:48 (permalink)
The Aim Assist bus omission is a huge limitation and I don't know what they were thinking. If it's possible to draw automation on bus lanes then you need Aim Assist there. I realize they'd need to draw two separate lines because it's two separate panes, but surely this is elementary stuff.

The closest I've gotten to a workaround is to position the lane I'm drawing automation in at the top of the bus pane so that the Aim Assist line is as close as possible to it - at least you can get ballpark positioning that way. But man, as it is, Aim Assist is a feature that was only half implemented and forgotten about.
post edited by sharke - 2015/09/04 23:27:13

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Re: Extend the Aim Assist line through the Bus Pane for Automation Envelope Editing? 2015/09/05 11:28:17 (permalink)
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I wrote an autohotkey script to augment Aim Assist and compiled a version of the script. Both are available here http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3282220




Cool. Maybe Mudgel will want to add this to that list/archive of user created tools and doodads he's got going?
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