stan_tnguyen
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External Preamp and compressor for my Focusrite 2i2 interface !
Hi everyone, I am using Sonar X2 on my windows 7 laptop x64 for recording my vocals and mixing with instrumental music. currently, I record vocals through my Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 interface with built in preamps. I think the vocals itself sounds great on its preamp. But in the other post, other users said that I need the external hardware compressor to compress my vox before it goes into the interface. Also, do you think I need an external preamp to make it clearer or the tube preamp to make it warmer. If yes, How do I connect my microphone through the compressor as well as another tube preamp? My Scarlett 2i2 has 2 input 2 output, supporting 2 line inputs. Please help! Thanks in advance !
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LpMike75
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Re:External Preamp and compressor for my Focusrite 2i2 interface !
2013/01/06 23:38:38
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Hey Stan 1) It's hard to tell anyone what they 'need'. If you are happy with your vocal sound, then I would continue with what your doing. Many people have outboard pre-amp units that can effect your sound. Different pre-amps have different character sounds, but not everyone can hear the difference. For instance, my wife would not hear the difference if I sing into my SM58, or if I sing into my Shure KSM44. But to me, there us a huuuge difference. 2) With that said, I use a UA 610 MKll for most of my vocals, guitars and bass recordings. The compressor on it is amazing. I would definately shop around and read alot of reviews, before jumping in to a purchase of any expensive outboard gear. 3) I don't know what the Scarlett unit looks like, but it should have normal line input, separate from the instrument line ins, which contain the units built in pre-amps. You plug the outboard pre-amp or compressor, etc into the line in 4) Not sure what microphone you are using, but I believe a nice microphone will get you better results faster, than a nice preamp with a crappy mic. Good luck
post edited by LpMike75 - 2013/01/07 00:23:35
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Re:External Preamp and compressor for my Focusrite 2i2 interface !
2013/01/07 01:01:22
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If you like your sound no need to add anything. And quality external preamp will probably have more gain (10-15 dB) which can help w/ mic placement and certain mics and singers. It could have a nice transformer in the in or out or both, providing a nice round tone instead of a sharper-edged interface preamp tone. this is what many people associate w/ tube gear, when what they are hearing is old tube gear w/ big transformers. There are lots of reasons for a high quality preamp, but if you are happy w/ your sound you don't need to be in a hurry to plop down $400 unless you have the money to spare and have no greater need (as LPMike points out, a good mic should be first on the list). The difference in sound is one of degree, not kind, and the standard interface preamp can capture good sound. Same w/ a comp. A few dB of reduction going in can smooth out a bouncy performance which means you don't have to slam your virtual compressors so much during mixdown. A good compressor too w/ help add the sonic signature of high quality components we associate w/ professional recordings. But again it isn't necessary - good recordings can be made w/o a compressor. They do make life a little simpler while recording, tho. If you are new to recording, it will take time to learn what to listen for and how that translates over different systems. With a good mic(s) that you spend a couple of hundred on and a modern interface w/ built-in preamps you can go a long way and learn what you can until you think you need a bump in hardware. If you have some money, my recommendation would be willing to spend enough so you don't keep buying the same thing over and over again. Preamps - a Rane and the M-Audio DMP are the cheapest that are better than what the scarlet offers, and they are about $200 (the DMP is stereo). Up from that is the Warm Audio, Focusrite ISA One, Gap 73 or FMR RNP, from about $400 up. Those are ones you can keep and use even when you have gold albums on your studio walls. I don't think a stand alone compressor will do you any good, since I doubt if your scarlett has inserts on the preamps. ART makes a channel strip for about $350 which is highly thought off. Preamp, compressor and EQ, with a tube saturation element. The best thing you can do is buy a quilt and hang it in the corner of the room you are using to record in. Face into the room when you sing or play. Most of the room sound the mic will pick up comes from reflections from the wall behind you and a nice quilt will dampen that sound considerably. You'll have less reflection sound with the attendent peaks and more dry sound. @
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stan_tnguyen
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Re:External Preamp and compressor for my Focusrite 2i2 interface !
2013/01/07 05:20:13
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Thanks so much for your response. I am using Blue Bluebird as my condenser mic. And I brlieve it is ok. Now I got another 200 follars to spend. what do you think about Presonus Channel strip? it seemed to have good reviews. But I am not sure how is it in reality?
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Re:External Preamp and compressor for my Focusrite 2i2 interface !
2013/01/07 05:38:00
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Hi Stan, the onboard pre-amps in the focusrite interfaces are really O.K, they can give you a good neutral sound. IMO, the pre-amps have an influence of max. ca. 10% to recordings. If your are not satisfied with your rec-sound, first I would recommend another microphon. If you like to buy another Pre- amp, I recommend to save more money than 200 bucks to buy a good pre- amp which is delivering more character to the tracks. The UAD Pre´s are a good starting point. I also love my GAP Pre 73 (modded with carnhill´s)) which is giving some warm character to vocal recordings. I don´t like to use a compressor in the channelstrip recording a track,cause it´s not possible to remove unwanted compression afterwards, to me not necessary.......... regards
post edited by Pragi - 2013/01/07 07:31:47
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stan_tnguyen
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Re:External Preamp and compressor for my Focusrite 2i2 interface !
2013/01/07 23:15:01
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Hi. what do you guys think about the Presonus Tubepre V2. I am usig Blue Bluebird as thr mic.
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Re:External Preamp and compressor for my Focusrite 2i2 interface !
2013/01/08 00:49:38
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Do a search. Some people really like the Presonus. I've never used one, but had the Firepod and it was a bang for buck interface. It should work ok w/ the bluebird, tho I'm not sure how much the tube (most likely a starved plate design at that price range) will tame the high end of the bluebird. I also had the Presonus Firestation w/ starved plate preamp outputs and it could get fizzy when the effect was turned up. @
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Re:External Preamp and compressor for my Focusrite 2i2 interface !
2013/01/08 02:26:33
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I just recently purchased a Scarlett 2i2 SPECIFICALLY for plugging my Tele and Sure SM57 straight into without the need for any other pre amp. Granted, I'm not a "power" user, but I think I have a pretty good ear and the Focusrite pre amps sound great. Add TH2 and my tele rocks! Best, Rob
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