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2014/01/14 21:30:42 (permalink)

External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2

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I have a hard disk that spins at 5,400 RPM in my laptop. Would that make a difference (performance) working on an external hard disk 7200 rpm with usb 2 connection? I've already checked to change the hard disk of my laptop but found it to expensive. Any advices?
 
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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/14 21:45:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/01/15 00:04:01
USB would slow it down considerably. If you want to speed up your hard drive replace it or buy a new laptop. If you have an esata port on your laptop you could connect an esata drive however.

Do you have evidence to show your hard drive is too slow? There could be other bottlenecks.

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/14 21:49:42 (permalink)
Externals that are guaranteed to spin at 7200rpm are expensive too. The famous names like WD and Seagate no longer guarantee spin speeds (they don't even state spin speeds in their literature). 

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 04:09:35 (permalink)
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Externals that are guaranteed to spin at 7200rpm are expensive too. The famous names like WD and Seagate no longer guarantee spin speeds (they don't even state spin speeds in their literature). 




I believe they may be spinning something...

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 04:51:58 (permalink)
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Externals that are guaranteed to spin at 7200rpm are expensive too. The famous names like WD and Seagate no longer guarantee spin speeds (they don't even state spin speeds in their literature). 


True. The identity of the drive inside the box of many pre-assembled external drives are poorly documented.  In some cases the same model number for an external drive may have a variety of different hard drives inside depending on when and where it is produced. Sometimes you can get the model number from device manager in windows and look up the spec sheet for that model. But by then you probably already bought the drive. The cheap way to be sure is to buy an external enclosure or drive dock and put your own drive inside.
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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 08:29:00 (permalink)
I got a $100 internal drive for my laptop. It was WAY faster than what I was used to. I think it was a TB too.
 
I have an external RAID array (2 7200 drives hardware raid 0 with 32 MB cache each). The $100 internal drive is much faster.
 
The external drive is also esata and usb2. In neither configuration does it compete with the internal laptop drive.
 
The drives on my StudioCat PC are the fastest I've got. They standard old drives, just fast.

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 09:16:06 (permalink)
> RAM;6.00 GO
 
Couldn't make this out in your footer, how much RAM do you actually have? Thanks..

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 11:54:06 (permalink)
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...The cheap way to be sure is to buy an external enclosure or drive dock and put your own drive inside.



That's what I've done - powered external enclosures using Esata and USB, both with standard Seagate SATA drives.
 

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 12:14:44 (permalink)
I find that even an old laptop if treated to a new 7200 RPM drive will be a new machine. 
They do hide this fact often in the specs. But people seem way to hung up on process CPU power and in my opinion way to much RAM but overlook the hard drive. 

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 18:09:07 (permalink)
Cactus MusicPeople seem way to hung up on process CPU power and in my opinion way to much RAM but overlook the hard drive. 



Agreed.

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 19:41:27 (permalink)
''Couldn't make this out in your footer, how much RAM do you actually have? Thanks...''
 
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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 20:01:32 (permalink)
Do you have evidence to show your hard drive is too slow? There could be other bottlenecks.
 
Over the time by reading all the post about latency and all the problems we could have making music with a pc (or laptop) i've finally (i think) found the right set-up. So while i was trying to find the sweet spot i noticed with the Sonar monitoring performance that my laptop hard disk seems to spin quit a bit (50%). I did a test using an external hard drive and saw that the performance dropped down to 10% (i'm still using that external drive and just don't have any problems) . I don't think that THIS is what made the difference but it might have helped...??? So anyway we always try to improve our system so i saw those external hard drive that says 7200 rpm...that's why i asked if that would that be a good move to buy that thing?

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 20:04:29 (permalink)
Hellya could you right click My Computer (or "Computer"), left click properties, it should then tell you the installed memory (RAM) in Gb. Cheers.

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 20:08:15 (permalink)
6.00 GB
 

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 20:36:51 (permalink)
I suggest updating "GB" in your footer, also we also need to know if you are running 32 bit windows or 64 bit windows, and indeed what version of windows. Also Sonar 64 bit or 32 bit?
 
32 bit only has 4Gb of addressable memory.
 
Also please check:
Scroll down to "Do You Have Enough Memory?"
http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2008/07/21/3092070.aspx
 
Sonar should be giving you some idea of how much memory you are using too.
With a lack of memory you could be swapping out too much to hard drive, something to check anyway.
Probably barking up the wrong tree here but worth a check.
Oh and please defrag your hard drive.
 
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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 20:46:35 (permalink)
Windows 64 bit all Sonar X1 to X3 64 bit....yeah my laptop may need a defrag

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 21:11:02 (permalink)
I thought defraging was no longer necessary with W7? 
Every time I check, there are no fragmented files. 

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 21:22:12 (permalink)
> I thought defraging was no longer necessary with W7? 

Oh Microsoft said that when NT first came out, and then the next release came with an in built defragger.
 
Nope defragging is necessary it's just totally unnecessary to run it all the time, some people run it every day/week and wear out their hard drives. I generally run it after I install new software or every couple of months, whatever is soonest.
 
You may have your defragger scheduled every month or week or so, which is not a good idea when using Sonar (turn off scheduling and run it when you want to run it). Cheers...

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/15 21:58:27 (permalink)
I have found that an external 7200 drive dedicated to audio certainly did improve performance. eSata is far better than usb2. This also takes the load off your system drive so you may well find that it doesn't need upgrading. 
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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/16 04:06:32 (permalink)
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> I thought defraging was no longer necessary with W7? 

Oh Microsoft said that when NT first came out, and then the next release came with an in built defragger.
 
Nope defragging is necessary it's just totally unnecessary to run it all the time, some people run it every day/week and wear out their hard drives. I generally run it after I install new software or every couple of months, whatever is soonest.
 
You may have your defragger scheduled every month or week or so, which is not a good idea when using Sonar (turn off scheduling and run it when you want to run it). Cheers...




Actually, MS does not say defragmenting is unnecessary in Win 7, it is just that it is scheduled to run on a schedule by default. If your computer is turned off when not in use, the time scheduled for defragmentation may not be available. Check when it is actually scheduled to run, and leave your computer on over night to let it, or run it manually when it is convenient.
 
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/improve-performance-defragmenting-hard-disk#1TC=windows-7
 
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> I thought defraging was no longer necessary with W7? 

Oh Microsoft said that when NT first came out, and then the next release came with an in built defragger.
 
Nope defragging is necessary it's just totally unnecessary to run it all the time, some people run it every day/week and wear out their hard drives. I generally run it after I install new software or every couple of months, whatever is soonest.
 
You may have your defragger scheduled every month or week or so, which is not a good idea when using Sonar (turn off scheduling and run it when you want to run it). Cheers...




Actually, MS does not say defragmenting is unnecessary in Win 7, it is just that it is scheduled to run on a schedule by default. If your computer is turned off when not in use, the time scheduled for defragmentation may not be available. Check when it is actually scheduled to run, and leave your computer on over night to let it, or run it manually when it is convenient.
 
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/improve-performance-defragmenting-hard-disk#1TC=windows-7
 




 
Strange I thought that was pretty much exactly what I wrote :).

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/16 06:41:27 (permalink)
After research here and elsewhere on the web, I added an external 7200 rpm drive connected via a powered 3.0 usb hub (nothing else is on the hub).  The drive is mounted in a Coolmax enclosure.
 
I can't say for certain how well the drive performs in technical terms, but I'm not having any problems other than making sure Windows is reading the drive before I launch Sonar.  The weakest links in my system, aside from me, are probably the audio interface and the ram.

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/16 08:09:21 (permalink)
 
USB 3 is a good solution (far better than USB 2). In fact, when on USB 3,a standard HDD is slower than USB so you should get full speed.
 
6Gb ram should be enough unless you use a LOOOOT of samples and tracks (I do on one song with BFD2 and Miroslav Philharmonik and never got Higher than 4 Gb used) or have a lot of simultaneous programs running.
 
You mentionned at first:
"I've already checked to change the hard disk of my laptop but found it to expensive"
 
Well a Western Digital Black Mobile 750Gb HDD for laptop is something like 66 euros.I wouldn't say it's expensive. It's a 750Gb 7200rpm drive with 16MB cache. To get better,only SSDs or velociraptors are available and far more costy (SSHDs are 5400rpm nowadays,or try the older 750Gb Momentus XT which is great).
7200rpm makes a big difference. Your system will be more responsive and you should be able to stream more tracks.
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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/16 20:14:44 (permalink)
Thanks to you all...as usual....as for the internal hard drive cost what was offer to me a year ago was in no way near the price that i've read here....i'll check that...thanks again
 

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Re: External hard disk 7200 rpm and usb 2 2014/01/16 20:28:53 (permalink)
Definitely research first, and be sure your system will support what you intend to buy (USB3, SATA III, etc.). Buying something that your system cannot utilize is important to know before you purchase anything.
 
I may have missed in the thread here... is your machine an off the shelf model? Either that (if it is), or the motherboard in it will help out folks reading the thread for you.

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