bayoubill
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Extortion Phone Scam?
I received 5 phone calls today from someone I think was from India. I purchased tech support from microsoft and few years back when I had Vista. The phone call today showed the caller as unknown. This guy said he was offering a renewal for my new PC. How he knows I have a new PC is beyond me. Anyway, he said to prevent my PC from going down I have to renew and pay him $300. I can't speak hardly at all but I managed to say get bent and hung up. He kept calling saying that I'm taking a big chance of losing that new computer if I didn't get whatever it was he was selling. 3 calls after that and each time he'd say things like you never know when your PC will get infected etc. It sounded like extortion to me!
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 00:13:47
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/08/04 10:42:44
These scammers stopped calling me.  I used to have so much fun with them.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 00:38:25
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I can't talk. If they call me again I Am going to breath real hard into the phone and say YUUMMMM ohhhhh aaahhhhhh
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 01:41:31
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☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2016/08/04 08:55:35
You don't have to talk to the guy . Take your phone in the bathroom and flush the toilet a few times . If that don't work you can always hit him up with one of my two favorites ... Plan A , I like to flip on my vacuum cleaner and put the phone next to it since I can get to it fast .. Plan B , I let my dog Duke bark into the phone for a while ...Duke likes to get phone calls and talk on the phone Kenny
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 02:39:39
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Definite scam. My mom had one that said they could tell remotely that her computer had a virus. She's never had a computer. You should be able to call your phone company and get the number blocked from there. If they say they can't, then tell them you'll start forwarding the calls to their support line.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 03:42:46
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Bill, type 'tech support scammers' into YouTube, there's a lot of people having fun with those idiots.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 05:05:29
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A freind of mine had one of them on for about half an hour before they reliased they were being scammed back. "Yes, I think you are right, my computer does have a problem, its taking an aweful long time to boot" etc. He figured he was stopping them from getting to someone who would fall for it as well as having fun in the process.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 05:58:43
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There's a guy on YouTube 'lewistech' who seems to have made it his mission to annoy as many of them as he can. I watched one vid where a scammer asked him if he was using 'Windows 9'!!
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 07:55:04
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2016/08/04 10:56:38
What's fun is to play along with them if you have the time to waste. Act like you're following their directions..... but you're not.... and tell them whatever they're trying to have you do "just isn't working". They will waste lots of time with you trying to get the computer to do what they want.....which is to gain access to it.... and you have it disconnected from the internet or phone line so they can't get in...... "yes I clicked on that and it didn't work"........ "No it's not working now either".... Prank the scammer.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 08:14:09
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Extortion implies that the extortionist is in a position to damage you if you fail to do as he wants. This caller apparently has nothing to damage you with. Social engineering is the easiest way to break into a computer, but it is not at all clear that this particular scammer had that as a goal. Likely this guy is more interested in getting your credit card number than access to your computer, by offering to sell you something he does not have to sell. He may have access to a list of subscribers to some kind of computer support service and is offering a renewal using a hard sell, or he may just be assuming that you have a computer, like the "Microsoft Support" callers who constantly call to tell you they have found something wrong with your computer, or the emails from banks you have no account with which tell you you need to change your password for your nonexistent account. They are just playing the odds, without any special knowledge about you. Hanging up is an eloquent response to someone trying to sell you something you do not want.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 08:35:34
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slartabartfast Extortion implies that the extortionist is in a position to damage you if you fail to do as he wants. This caller apparently has nothing to damage you with. Social engineering is the easiest way to break into a computer, but it is not at all clear that this particular scammer had that as a goal. Likely this guy is more interested in getting your credit card number than access to your computer, by offering to sell you something he does not have to sell.
You're probably right, but his repeated "worry" about bayoubill's computer reminded me of Tony Soprano..."say, how's your kid doing in school? Sure hate to see something happen to him..." Kinda creepy. I actually keep my DAW computer physically disconnected from the network when not online. I'm not sure if that's really doing anything, since I eventually connect to the 'interwebs' daily, but it makes me feel better...
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 08:39:14
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Sometime back, I posted this video on a guy scamming the scammers by setting up a virtual machine/rigging some of the functions keys and letting the scammer have remote access to his virtual machine........I watched the whole thing and it's just too funny.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 09:25:57
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Mesh Sometime back, I posted this video on a guy scamming the scammers by setting up a virtual machine/rigging some of the functions keys and letting the scammer have remote access to his virtual machine........I watched the whole thing and it's just too funny.
i remember this post Mesh. It's too good. The 'scamming the scammerer' guy is very clever. It's worth the watch.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 09:51:20
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I wonder, if a lot of people did do something like this to trap these scammers, would it slow them down? but then again,
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 09:58:30
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For a long time I'd make sport of these calls, keeping them on the line as long as possible and messing with their heads. Then it occurred to me that "Kevin in Texas" was probably just a poor kid from Mumbai who thought he could make his mother proud by landing a job in the tech industry. He endures verbal abuse hour after hour, working what we'd consider an undesirable graveyard shift, commuting for hours to get there every night, and earning less than a teenage McDonald's order-taker in the U.S. People living in impoverished countries don't have the luxury of ethics, can't move on to another job because their employer's a scumbag, and certainly wouldn't dream of complaining. Picture dozens of kids crammed into a hot, humid room with a 2-foot-wide workspace, no breaks and a quota for calls under penalty of unemployment. Burnout (and suicide) rates are high among such workers, both from terrible working conditions and constant abuse on the phone. And all you're doing by leading them on and keeping them on the phone is assuring they'll lose their job. Their bosses don't care; there's a long line of applicants waiting to take their place. So when I get those calls now, I politely tell them I'm not interested and just hang up. They get to meet their call quota and move on. Of course, if they subsequently call back as in Bill's case, then the gloves come off. Knowing they're working from a flowchart, it's easy to throw them a curve that throws them totally off-script.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 11:17:38
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A new scam in the UK is when they call pretending to be "a legal advisor from a solicitor's office" and start trying to get you to talk to them about a "reported serious accident" involving their "client" and "your vehicle". Not that they can tell you what accident, when it occured even what your vehicle is. Or who their client is.
They just keep saying the magic formula, "I am a legal advisor, your vehicle has been in an accident, you must do what I say." The obvious reply being "you say you're a legal advisor, but I only have your word for it. Which firm of solicitors do you work for? What is the name and roll number of your supervising solicitor?" Their scripted answer to all tricky questions then comes into play, which is "erm..... That doesn't matter, you have broken the law, I AM A LEGAL ADVISOR."
Had them twice in the last month, once each on our two landlines. Great fun. It's illegal in the UK to pretend to be a solicitor, and in any case a lawyer representing a party you've injured would already have your vehicle details - or how else did they find you to call?
They get particularly upset when told you are admiting nothing and if they want to pursue the matter further to put their claims in writing so you can pass it on to your insurer and legal advisor and you'll look forward to seeing them in court.
Like the "Microsoft" scammers there's a good 20+ minutes entertainment to be had from them, unless you don't know how accident and injury claims are really handled, what the regulations about solicitor's conduct are and that doing something just because a lawyer representing someone else says you must is rarely a good reason to do anything and find being called by a pushy "legal advisor at a big law firm" terrifying.
I detest this sort of scammer. They are parasites who prey on the elderly, on people who don't know enough about complicated stuff to realise they are being scammed and they are persistent and aggressive in their attitude. I don't care that they are low paid, they know exactly what they are doing and will prey on their neighbour as readily as they will on someone in a distant country they've never met. They are no different than the fake "gas meter reader" who gets into your house and steals from you.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 11:34:38
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tlw
I detest this sort of scammer. They are parasites who prey on the elderly, on people who don't know enough about complicated stuff to realise they are being scammed and they are persistent and aggressive in their attitude.
Yes.......In the US, these "Legal Advisors" are more commonly known as lawyers.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 12:12:05
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/08/07 20:04:03
The third caller that called me using the same scam (I've never purchased MS support though) got a bunch of profanities from me. They called back immediately and a dude with a thick Asian accent told me a bunch of things my wife had been doing with "big black c-ck". I laughed and told him me and my wife are lesbians. They never have called back.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 12:17:02
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/08/04 12:17:55
Heh heh Bob misspelled rooster.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 12:43:02
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I usually don't feel I have the time to waste (I know! I know!), but sometimes I have fun and play like some completely agreeable ADHD idiot. "Ok, so what do I need to do?" "Is my computer the black box with the window or the grey one?" "Do you like rabbits? I do!"
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 12:59:13
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It isn't noon yet and I've had 3 calls. This time I din't answer but this tries 3 numbers. One says unknown on ID, one lists 0000000000, and the other is blank. Each these turns out to be the same guy
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 13:20:04
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I'm starting to get PO'd now!
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 13:31:47
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Like I said call your phone company and tell them (have the times of each call if possible). They should be able to block them.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 14:24:00
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Thanks Craig. Done! No calls the last 30 min! My son called this morning
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 14:58:28
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 16:47:25
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If you really want to waste your time, try reporting these people to the authorities in the US. The most credible scam I have ever seen are the report forms you can fill out at the Federal Trade Commission, FCC or FBI which will require an enormous amount of time, collection of an extraordinary amount of information about the incident, and a sworn statement subject to perjury penalties and will result in absolutely no action whatsoever except to result in the collection of wildly understated statistics that they can go to Congress with saying that they need more budget to pursue these malevolent actors. The FTC famously released a proud report that ten years of their supervision of the Do Not Call Registry, had resulted in more than 100 law enforcement actions resulting in orders against 291 individuals and corporations. I get more calls than that on my DNCR registered telephones in a couple of months. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2013/06/10-years-national-do-not-call-looking-back-looking-ahead.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 16:57:31
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craigb Like I said call your phone company and tell them (have the times of each call if possible). They should be able to block them.
I called my phone company when I saw my own name and number for CLLID. They told me to call the cops
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 17:08:02
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/08/04 22:17:01
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craigb Like I said call your phone company and tell them (have the times of each call if possible). They should be able to block them.
I called my phone company when I saw my own name and number for CLLID. They told me to call the cops
I am guessing you called the cops, and they then told you to call the phone company?
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 17:10:58
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craigb Like I said call your phone company and tell them (have the times of each call if possible). They should be able to block them.
I called my phone company when I saw my own name and number for CLLID. They told me to call the cops
I am guessing you called the cops, and they then told you to call the phone company?
That's what I expected, but I didn't bother. I've also had a couple folks call my cell swearing that I had called them and hung up.
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Re: Extortion Phone Scam?
2016/08/04 17:25:32
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I just tell them I use linux. That is usually met with some type of confusion until they ask someone near them. Then they hangup. After about the 3rd time, they quit calling. I think that DNC list is a joke. I really think the scumbags get that list just so they know who has a valid and working phone. They spoof their caller ID from a rented IP phone service. They know it's hard to really track them down and why they don't care about the DNCR.
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