Extract several short .cwp from one long .cwp

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2008/08/21 16:47:52 (permalink)

Extract several short .cwp from one long .cwp

I do live recording, which means that I can end up with hour-long 16-track .cwp files with 10 - 15 songs on each one. I do rough mixes, insert busses as needed, make markers for each song start & end, and get all my FX and VSTs set up on this long file - this ensures uniformity from song to song.

I then split the long file into short, one-song cwp files, enabling me to work on each song individually, and relieving stress on my DAW.

The only way I can figure out to do this and still maintain VST settings and bus automation is to delete all but the current song from the large cwp, and rename the file to the current song, open that small cwp and delete the empty space from around the song.

Does anyone have a less cumbersome way of acheiving this?

Thanks.

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    papa2004
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    RE: Extract several short .cwp from one long .cwp 2008/08/21 16:52:45 (permalink)
    That's how I would do it for multi-tracked performance. I can't think of any other way to do it that would make any sense according to the scenario you've described.

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    Dave King
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    RE: Extract several short .cwp from one long .cwp 2008/08/21 17:06:09 (permalink)
    You could approach it from a different perspective and save the large file (for example) 10 times, each time naming it Song 01, Song 02, etc.

    Then, go through it and delete the unwanted sections for each song.

    This is just another approach, but not sure if it would save any time.

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    tparker24
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    RE: Extract several short .cwp from one long .cwp 2008/08/21 17:11:52 (permalink)
    One way would be to continue keeping everything in one cwp, and have once clip per song (which I think you're already doing).

    Then, to retain all your FX and VSTs, you can Clone the original track (without cloning Events) for as many songs as you have. Then drag each song to the beginning of its new track.

    You can "relieve stress" on your DAW, by Archiving all the songs except for the one you want to work on. When you want to work on another song, you can Archive the current song, and de-Archive the one you want to work one. (You can speed up Archiving a bit by Keybinding something to Archive ... I use F12).

    Additionally, you can Hide the Archived tracks, if you want to just view the current song. Hitting M brings up the Track Manager to make this easier.

    I'm sure there are other approaches, as well.

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    RE: Extract several short .cwp from one long .cwp 2008/08/21 17:20:20 (permalink)
    I do rough mixes, insert busses as needed, make markers for each song start & end, and get all my FX and VSTs set up on this long file - this ensures uniformity from song to song.


    I missed exactly what you meant when first responded.

    Unless the performances and individual dynamics of all the songs have "uniformity" throughout I would recommend against using identical settings across the board while mixing. Even in the controlled environment of studio recordings it's unlikely one could set up a "blanket" effects/processing chain that would work properly with each song.

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    macflooze
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    RE: Extract several short .cwp from one long .cwp 2008/08/22 13:46:47 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies so far.

    Tom, that idea's worth thinking about, though if I'm getting your drift correctly, (sequence the songs as parallel tracks, rather than serially on the same 16 tracks?) I could end up with 15 songs * 16 tracks = 240 tracks? Archiving and hiding would definitely help there!

    Papa - it's a very general macro 'blanket' - for instance, for all songs I know I'm going to going to need verb + comp on the vox, gates on the the kit, a compressor on the horn section bus, etc etc, just not the exact settings I'll eventually use on a per-song basis.

    On the large cwp, I insert what's needed, and give each track very basic 'starter' settings, group/bus instruments (kit, bvox, horns), and very loosely set relative levels, very similar to the process of sounchecking a live band.
    When the individual songs are mixed, I do a 'micro' mix of that track, adjusting each track's vsts, verb, etc tailored to suit the individual song, similar to mixing a live band.

    It's much quicker to have the basics preset, rather than having to re-insert verbs, vst's, busses etc on each individual song out of 15.

    I guess what I'm looking for is a way to 'export' the individual song to it's own cwp file, complete with track settings, inserts, automation and busses all intact.

    If anybody knows how to do this...

    Pmac
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    papa2004
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    RE: Extract several short .cwp from one long .cwp 2008/08/22 14:01:09 (permalink)
    No easier way than what you and I discussed in the first two posts.

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    Re: RE: Extract several short .cwp from one long .cwp 2011/04/23 21:27:32 (permalink)
    I do the same thing and have suggested workflow improvements on the feature request page..

    I suggested the ability to have "pages" or tabs so the channel settings are the same for every "page (song)"

    Or, as you've said, the ability to export new projects from region, so you would have multiple projects with the same channel setting.

    To the guy who reckons it's a bad way to mix; this is how live music is mixed, there is no swapping compressors, changing preamps etc.. you use what is set up in soundcheck. If the guitarist turns his amp up mid set, you deal with it.. When the drummer starts getting tired, turn up the kick etc..

    Live mixing is so much more visceral than dead mixing :)
    post edited by Kurtly - 2011/04/23 21:30:09
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