** FLIPPIN SOLVED! ** Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. - Thanks A4U & FBB

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** FLIPPIN SOLVED! ** Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. - Thanks A4U & FBB

Hi,

I have emailed support but am anxious to solve this issue so I will ask you all.

I had been running an array of bcf2000s and bcr2000s lustfully under XP.
I had a whim to migrate to win7 32bit. I used Laplink's PCMover upgrade assistant to execute an in place
upgrade to win7 retaining my old "fortress" in the process.

The bcf2000 drivers had to be reinstalled / updated so I did.
Now however I have a curious issue with X1, 8.5 and 8.3.1 where if I am looking at the midi devices, there they
are. But if I put a check mark in the box to select them, under X1, when I click apply some of the "ports" instantly deselect before my eyes! In 8.x, I have to OK the midi devices dialog box to apply them, but upon re-opening the dialog box I find they are deselected again.

What fun!

Any ideas?



post edited by bitman - 2011/02/17 13:30:11
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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/15 10:18:01 (permalink)
    It's been a while since I had a BCF attached but doesn't windows 7 use it's own drivers, i.e. you don't need Behringers? I could be way off base with that though. It's just something I seem to recall, although my memory is shot sometimes.

    I assume they are not working if the drivers are 'forgotten'?
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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/15 12:00:14 (permalink)
    Yes. Win7 has it's own drivers.

    Behringer drivers expose "port numbers" in their drivers  making it more or less a  snap to set up an array of these rascals. The older Behringer driver was the one I was using in xp. That driver won't load under win7.

    But maybe I was hasty in installing them and not just going along with MS drivers.  I suppose it's possible that the Behringer drivers are not ready for prime time but I don't see too many complaints about them that are as weird as what I am seeing. This maks me inclined to think it's just me and my install.

    I will try ms drivers tonight.

    I am wondering if anyone has seen the "fighting" midi select boxes in any instance, and where that fault may lie. From my view it looks like Sonar may be trying to use that port but is getting back a fault condition.

    post edited by bitman - 2011/02/15 12:03:08
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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/15 14:36:51 (permalink)
    1. there are dedicated drivers for BCR/BCF uner Win7/32 and Win7/64
    2. problems with "disappearin ports" are not BCF/BCR problems - in my system (Win7/64 there is a conflict with MIDI interface - E-mu X-midi 2x2. In a fact E-mu doesn't like Behringers AnD Maschine Controller. It can blow my X1 session, make BSOD with communicate that e-mu causes error in driver module wdmaud.drv - or similar.
    3. Use KORG utility to "unbind" all MIDI-USB ports and try to install all devices again.

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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/15 18:30:37 (permalink)
    Where is the "KORG" utility you speak of?
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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/15 23:33:02 (permalink)
    Well I uninstalled the behringer drivers and am running the stock ms drivers.

    Little change except Sonars output now will stick but the inputs will not.

    But wait: There's more. I'm pretty sure Windows is straight and true as my bcmanager sees all my bcfs and the data from them so uh oh, It's prolly Sonar, I'll try reaper tomorrow night.

    It's all versions though.


    Somebody help me.
    post edited by bitman - 2011/02/15 23:43:58
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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/16 02:43:36 (permalink)
    Did you uninstall the Behringer drivers completely, as in remove from system (from the driver store)?

    I don't use my BCF at present but I definitely have had it up and running under Windows 7 albeit not in X1. If by all versions you mean Sonar 8.x then I definitely had it running with 8.3.

    Does the BCF respond to Sonar when started i.e. faders snap into position? That would at least indicate the output drivers are doing their thing.

    If I get a chance later I'll pull mine out and just try getting it up and running with my laptop to see what happens.

    Trying it with reaper is a good idea, if it works in that it'll probably be a Sonar issue although I think others do have them working, based on not seeing many posts saying otherwise. Not very scientific I know.
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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/16 03:21:36 (permalink)
    @ bitman:

    www.korg.com - fo to the any product woth USB (i.e. nano controllers) and download USB-MIDI Driver.
    Install.
    Then go to the Programs / KORG / KORG USB-MIDI Driver Tools
    and click at "Uninstall Korg USB-MIDI...."

    You'll see Korg's uninstaller which scansUSB-MIDI bindinds and registry. It's safe. After scanning - to to "options" and uncheck "Delete Kotg devices only" - n you can delete all unused USB-MIDI bindig.

    It doesnt uninstall drivers - it oes something important too - UNBINDS USB-MIDI devices and Drivers from USB inputs in your computer.

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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/16 04:31:13 (permalink)
    First an apology, looks like I may have mis-informed you about the Windows 7 own drivers although I'm still sure that I used them previously. But anyway..........

    I installed the BCF on my laptop using Windows own drivers. Installation seemed to go okay but then in X1 I had the same problem that you are reporting. The MIDI device dialogue would remember the Output but not the input port.

    I then uninstalled it from the device manager, downloaded THIS (The 32 bit USB MIDI Driver from Behringer) and ran that installation with the BCF disconnected.

    Connected the BCF when requested re-booted when requested and ended up with 3 BCF input ports and 2 Output ports. Fired up BCFView, then Sonar set up the control surface on "BCF2000 Port 1" both for input and output and all is working okay.

    I'd still swear blind on my x64bit DAW that I used the Windows 7 own drivers which use "BCF2000" as the port name, instead of the longer winded Behringer version. That's why I'm so sure but it definitely didn't work for me under x32 Windows 7. I suspect some uninstall/reinstall games may sort it out but it is working under the Behringer drivers.

    I don't know if any of that helps at all? The only other thing I would add is I have never had the BCF installed on my laptop before with any version of SOnar. I no longer have 8.X installed either so I can't check it with an earlier version.
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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/16 09:13:15 (permalink)
    Wow thanks BB!

    The driver you used from behringer is the one I had originally used.
    But I am glad to hear (I suppose) that you see the same action in the midi dialog.

    Ya know, the Behringer driver would allow for the first and maybe the second BCF but that was it, then it would go all tweaky doing the no-input-for-you thing for bcf 3 and or 4.


     
    post edited by bitman - 2011/02/16 09:27:18
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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/16 09:17:28 (permalink)
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    Did you uninstall the Behringer drivers completely, as in remove from system (from the driver store)?

    I don't use my BCF at present but I definitely have had it up and running under Windows 7 albeit not in X1. If by all versions you mean Sonar 8.x then I definitely had it running with 8.3.

    Does the BCF respond to Sonar when started i.e. faders snap into position? That would at least indicate the output drivers are doing their thing.

    If I get a chance later I'll pull mine out and just try getting it up and running with my laptop to see what happens.

    Trying it with reaper is a good idea, if it works in that it'll probably be a Sonar issue although I think others do have them working, based on not seeing many posts saying otherwise. Not very scientific I know.


    I right clicked on the BCF2000 in device mgr, selected uninstall, then clicked "remove driver" on the way out. Then the remove driver option was no longer available for the rest of the bcfs, but they all did revert to the MS drivers.
     
    post edited by bitman - 2011/02/16 12:03:22
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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/16 09:19:13 (permalink)
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    @ bitman:

    www.korg.com - fo to the any product woth USB (i.e. nano controllers) and download USB-MIDI Driver.
    Install.
    Then go to the Programs / KORG / KORG USB-MIDI Driver Tools
    and click at "Uninstall Korg USB-MIDI...."

    You'll see Korg's uninstaller which scansUSB-MIDI bindinds and registry. It's safe. After scanning - to to "options" and uncheck "Delete Kotg devices only" - n you can delete all unused USB-MIDI bindig.

    It doesnt uninstall drivers - it oes something important too - UNBINDS USB-MIDI devices and Drivers from USB inputs in your computer.


    Nice.

    Thank you. I'll try it.
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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/16 22:50:47 (permalink)
    Well Adrian4u, you get the gold star.
    I ran the Korg USB-MIDI obliterater and it showed me a boatload of USB-MIDI devices that came over from my XP migration. Had I run the windows 7 adviser from microsoft it would have told me I had some incompatible drivers to uninstall first but no, I had to just go for it. I knew better but whatyagonnado.

    Anyway once that finished I was able to re plug 5 bcx2000 devices, install the Behringer drivers and have it all stick and happy like they should. The last two bcrs plug in via real midi (as I ran out of usb cables way back when) so they were never part of the problem.

    4 bcf2000s and 3 bcr2000s all rocking and rolling with full parameter feedback again. Thanks to Adrian and FastBikerBoy for all the support.

    I am just ever so royally stoked right now. 
    post edited by bitman - 2011/02/16 22:59:37
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    Re:Win7 32 bit: BCF2000 ports un-check when checked. 2011/02/17 03:04:22 (permalink)
    Glad you've got it sorted. Don't you just love drivers and installations?
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