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FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks???



I'm simply going to ask this question, and that's it.




Are the majority of Cakewalk forum members simply computer geeks trying to make music? You know, people who are really great at the technical aspect of things, but lack in terms of being real musicians?



OR



Are the majority of forum members really great musicians lost in a sea of technology and never ending possibilities that keeps them from truly being creative.




OR





Should the original poster simply got to hell?







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Mike,

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 02:29:08 (permalink)
    Hi Mike-

    Why such a black & white question?

    No one can answer for the majority, obviously, but personally I started out as a musician and later got involved with computers.

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 02:34:28 (permalink)
    I would say a little of all of the above.
    To what amount each I don't know for even me. Except for the last entry. That is much of my full sentiment.

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 02:35:48 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Susan G

    Hi Mike-

    Why such a black & white question?

    No one can answer for the majority, obviously, but personally I started out as a musician and later got involved with computers.

    -Susan



    Well, because most of the musicians I've met personally are not all that bright to be honest with you. However I have found that many of those on these posts are very, very, very bright. I wonder if they're all aliens...
    post edited by howieizme - 2006/12/28 04:03:28

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 02:42:02 (permalink)
    Hi Mike-
    Well, because most of the musicians I've met personally are not all that bright to be honest with you.

    Well, then, you haven't met the right musicians. Some of the very brightest people I've ever known are musicians.

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 02:54:39 (permalink)
    However I have found that many of those on these posts are very, very, very bright. I'm wonder if their all aliens...

    ARE YOU CALLING ME an alien Susan you gona take that? Him calling me an alien! That is.

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 02:58:06 (permalink)
    I think that to be a computer-based musician implies both.

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 02:58:55 (permalink)
    I've got 13+ years of IT/computer experience (including professional IT work) and 20+ years of music training/performing. My 4-year degree is in music. My heart is in music.

    I play violin to keep my sanity and because I love it.

    I use a computer to make music because the horizons are beautiful -- even if the technology is a headache.

    Creativity is a mix of what you enjoy and what you do to stretch your brain. If you only do what's easy and fun, you never explore new territory. If you try to only work with the latest technology, you'll be a very frustrated person (bugs, updates, incompatiblities, cost, something newer, constant learning curve, etc.).
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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 03:26:25 (permalink)
    Hi John-

    No.

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 03:32:16 (permalink)
    Hi Mike-
    I'm wonder if their all aliens...

    No. But you are starting to sound like one of them! [S/B "I'm wondering if they're all aliens...]

    Ducking, but really, c'mon -- you're talking about how bright people are on this forum, and you can't construct a simple sentence?

    -Susan
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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 03:44:01 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Susan G

    Hi Mike-
    I'm wonder if their all aliens...

    No. But you are starting to sound like one of them! [S/B "I'm wondering if they're all aliens...]

    Ducking, but really, c'mon -- you're talking about how bright people are on this forum, and you can't construct a simple sentence?

    -Susan



    ok, ok, you got me. I'm a Dip Sh#%.
    post edited by howieizme - 2006/12/28 04:04:10

    Mike,

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 03:51:50 (permalink)
    Hi Mike-
    ok, ok, you got me. I'm a Dip Sh#%.

    Not at all. I thought the thread started out ok, but once you said:

    "...most of the musicians I've met personally are not all that bright to be honest with you."

    you lost me. That hasn't been my experience, sorry.

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 03:59:42 (permalink)
    Well Susan, I'd like to invite you down to Harry's bar in Pismo Beach California. The majority of the few musicians who live around here in this small town tend to visit Harry's bar on a regular basis. You might see my point of view upon arrival. Again, my point was in regards to the musicians that "I" had met.

    Mike,

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 04:07:54 (permalink)
    Hi Mike-

    Again, my point was in regards to the musicians that "I" had met.


    Fine. My point was that some musicians are very, very bright, so let's not draw them with so broad a stroke and say they're "not all that bright" based only on most of those you've met personally.

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 04:22:03 (permalink)
    I for one welcome our new ant overlords.


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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 04:42:32 (permalink)
    You know, these humans really have no clue. Why do we let them live?

     
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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 04:49:38 (permalink)
    I'm more of a geek than i would like.

    Sometimes there's nothing better than turning all the tech off and picking up the guitar and a beer.

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 05:27:11 (permalink)
    I feel 20-40% better when I can just pick up an acoustic guitar and play and sing along.
    20-40% of the time I'm a computer geek trying to make music and the rest of the time I just make music. Nothing directed in a particular direction. Just making music for its own sake.

    I feel like I should be embarking on some great project but only have about 20-40% of the motivation I need.

    So the majority of me is a musician and 20-40% of me is a computer geek. Did I just say that already! Must be late. ramblinnnnn onnnnn. goodnight

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 06:13:32 (permalink)
    I've been and a guitar player since 1963. I recorded with bands in studios in the 60's and 70's. I built my own little studio in the 80,s using Tascam 38 8 track recorder. When Cubase came along I bought an Atari and used midi synced to the Tascam. Thousands of musicians did this. I started using Cakewalk 7 on PC and ended up today with Sonar 6. Some of my friends stuck with Cubase and some went with Logic Audio. I think we all ended up a bit geekish because thats what computers do to you. They creep up on you and before you know it, you're not talking about guitar riffs, you're talking about blue screens, Duo Core systems and 64bit.
    All very Geeky indeed

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 06:48:10 (permalink)
    Id say I was a definitely both with a tendency toward computer geek.

    Started with piano lessons when I was younger , gave up on that.
    Moved onto Brass intruments - played a euphonium in a regional brass band at school for a short while
    Played the Commodore Vic 20 (yes I used it to make music back in 1981/2)
    Picked up guitar and played that for over a decade before quitting, also got a bass as well.
    Started to use a Commodore Amiga, and later a PC to make backing tracks to jam with.
    Now all I use is a computer to make the music.

    Im definitely computer geeky as well.
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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 07:03:26 (permalink)
    I'd like to invite you down to Harry's bar in Pismo Beach California


    Pismo beach?!? Isn't that where Bugs Bunny hangs out?

    To answer your original question, I'm much better at 'playing' my computer than playing my guitar. The computer stuff just seems to come to me. Always has. The guitar, I have to really WORK at it to get good results.

    HOWEVER....

    I'm much happier when I'm playing my guitar.

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 07:54:05 (permalink)
    I honestly find the computer get's in my way of my music. And bitterly persue it because I have too.

    When I was gigging most of the musicians I knew would look at the mixing board with a dumbfounded look as though appearing not so bright. But it was more of overwhemingness and not unintelligence. They had no idea how to hook anything up such as outboards effects, crossovers and speakers, and stuff.
    I learned how do run all the stuff because no one else would dare touch it from fear of blowing it up. Not knowing how best to run it I became an instant sound engineer expert as far as the band was concerned because I learned how to hook it up. I ended up being Guitarist/Singer/Sound Guy/Roadie/what ever no one else would do. Oh yes did I mention running the light show too?

    Computers are the same way for me. I know how to get them running an all but when it comes to software especially in Sonar I am way over my head. My brain doesn't have the the patients to absorb the precision detail it has to offer. Most of my experiences with recording on the computer is a struggle and I never look forward to doing it.

    But like everyting eles, if I don't plunge ahead nobody else is going to either.
    It's a Love/Hate thing. Not a geeky thing.
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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 08:12:34 (permalink)
    Absolutely, musician first - started as a drummer mid-60's, went to guitar/keys shortly after. (Couldn't hold down a nite on drums now if my life depended on it - that's WORK.)

    Was very fortunate to find myself in some quality studios VERY early on in the whole mess - followed the intern-to-engineer cycle. When small-format multitrack became affordable in the late 70's, started with the whole home studio thing. Wasn't until turn of the century that I went DAW - just seemed like things weren't close to stable till about then. And no regrets - I don't miss tape one little bit.

    But I wasn't a stranger to computers (though the last 10 years or so things have developed so rapidly that I haven't even tried to keep up) - my dad was involved with them from the beginning - he was in the room when Univac fired up for the first time, and some of my earliest memories are of going into work with him while he changed a disk drive out. (That disk drive was larger than a cake-storage thingie, probably held about 32K). So - no geek, but by no means a stranger to computers. Just not on the cutting edge - I refuse to go near the registry......

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 08:17:19 (permalink)
    see you in hell howieizme

    I doubt the forum participants represent a reasonable cross section of musicians. They represent the musicians that have/use computers and bother with forums.

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 08:34:23 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: howieizme



    I'm simply going to ask this question, and that's it.




    Are the majority of Cakewalk forum members simply computer geeks trying to make music? You know, people who are really great at the technical aspect of things, but lack in terms of being real musicians?



    OR



    Are the majority of forum members really great musicians lost in a sea of technology and never ending possibilities that keeps them from truly being creative.




    OR



    Should the original poster simply got to hell?



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    A blend of folks


    1) FOlks who's primary income is earned through a recording studio

    2) Folks who work at a recording studio

    3) Folks who have a hobby recorsding studio

    4) New Musicians composing tunes

    5) Musicians in bands recording tunes gigs etc

    6) Musicians who were in famous/not famous bands recording tunes for the market

    7) Musicians recording tunes for their own satisfaction

    8) Pure hobby folks

    9) Lonely folks

    10) People who want to do live recordings from church, gigs, radio

    11) Folks who develop products that are relevant to Cakewalk

    12) People who write support documentation for Cakewalk products

    13) People with excess money who want to show off

    14) People with no money who want to show off

    15) Pirates

    16) Fools

    17) IT Experts

    18) Professionals

    19) Gigging musicians

    20) session musicians

    21) Mastering engineers

    22) Mixing engineers

    23) Parents

    24) Teenagers

    Plus more...

    Great music is subjective, the most talented musicians in the world may be crap at writing a decent tune or lyrics or singing or dancing or using a DAW or mixing etc .......

    I guess people work to their strengths and achieve what they can with this stuff....

    One does not have to be a gigging musician to write a good song....they just have to understand how to write a good song, what elements it requires and know the tricks of the trade in making it addictive to a multitude of listeners.

    I was a gigging drummer in bands in the UK, I am now taking pro guitar lessions on this island... I'm not gigging now , nor am I getting enough time using my studio due to other priorities incl. kids etc.

    I'm not sure where I fit into your catagories geek or real musician though.







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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 08:54:24 (permalink)
    Kilgore, is that you?

     
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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 09:27:09 (permalink)

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    Hi Mike-

    Why such a black & white question?

    No one can answer for the majority, obviously, but personally I started out as a musician and later got involved with computers.

    -Susan



    Well, because most of the musicians I've met personally are not all that bright to be honest with you. However I have found that many of those on these posts are very, very, very bright. I wonder if they're all aliens...


    Well, your question isn't all that bright, but. I started as a musician age 12, I am now a musician and also a MS Certified Tech-Working at both. Most musicians I have met have seemed pretty darn smart to me.

     
     
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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 09:39:48 (permalink)
    I think the more interesting trend exhibited by this forum in terms of the geek / freak dichotomy - is when one further cross sects the forum by age. (and age in most cases also determines a higher level of income, and income allows one to purchase the Hardware and software to become DAW geeks)

    I think the alpha posters on this forum are both geeks and freaks and that is because their advanced years and higher income levels have allowed them to be both. A lot of them ( "back in the 60's man I was...." ) already had the music thing in the bag and became geeks as well once the price point for entry into the DAW world became in the grasp of ordinary mortals.

    However, the younger set has usually already exhausted their capital on instruments and amps and they are the ones with soundblasters and cracked copies of S5 trying to record their band. (music freaks primarily - becoming geeks) ( I remember being 18 and not having the money to buy guitar strings. let alone a pro sound card, and my Dad would not help - unless today's Dads buy it all for them, being a working musician and DAW geek is a tough one-two to manage financially !))

    A lot of younger pure computer geeks I know or have met are primarily concerned with P2P, coding or gaming and not so much multi track DAW stuff. I think that generally the interest in DAW geek world would come out from being a musician first. (Unless computer geeks figure out that by being the digital media specialist for an up and coming band could get them chicks!!)

    So in summary - old farts (like me ) - long time music freaks - became DAW geeks - so they are both. Younger set - music freaks - no money to become geeks. (but with time and money may become tomorrow's DAW geeks)

    Before you bombard me with all the exceptions to disprove this rule, please understand these are gross generalizations intended only to further our discussions and understanding of the social-psycho norms of the CW forums. Any similarities between any persons lving or dead is purely coincidental.

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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 09:44:13 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: howieizme



    I'm simply going to ask this question, and that's it.




    Are the majority of Cakewalk forum members simply computer geeks trying to make music? You know, people who are really great at the technical aspect of things, but lack in terms of being real musicians?



    OR



    Are the majority of forum members really great musicians lost in a sea of technology and never ending possibilities that keeps them from truly being creative.




    OR





    #1 - I don't believe that is me. I consider myself a pretty decent musician - not great, but a good solid seasoned player.

    #2 - This would describe me to a certain degree. Again, I'm not a brilliant musician, but I am a decent one that does tend to get caught up in the "sea of technology" sometimes.

    But really, I'm a blend of both. I have played guitar since 1978 and bought my first pc around 1986. I also bought my first synth around that time and was completely caught up in how cool it was to be able to program it.... I have always be fascinated with pcs and what they can do. And as much as I hate the frustration of something not working quite right or having a pc problem, I always seem to figure it out and then have this great feeling of accomplishment! So yes, to a degree, I suppose I'm a computer geek. But to a much great degree, I am a musician. I've played in bands for 25 years. Anyone who knows me considers me a "musician" - they know that is my passion and most of my non-musician friends (who don't know any better!) probably consider me a great musician and my musician friends resepect my abilities. But many of my friends and people at work who also know me as a musician also probably consider me a computer geek because I know more about pcs than anyone in my area (administration for a large national investment company), but that's not really saying much!




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    RE: FORUM MEMBERS: Computer Geeks or Music Freaks??? 2006/12/28 10:48:16 (permalink)
    Hey howieizme,
    i can't see anyone stepping forward and saying, either, "i'm a computer wiz' but i'm musically inept." or "i'm a musical genius but i'm too dumb to work these gizmos properly." but i suspect this is a statement disguised as a question and to some degree it's, no doubt, correct.
    The current technology enables non musical types to make music with loop collages and this is becoming more widely accepted as a valid art form and the more computer geeky these people are, the more likely their music will be interesting to listen to, as they love to tweak and fiddle and process and animate the hell out of audio.
    I'm not sure this stuff can have the soul of a truly inspired "written" tune or song but with each collage they make, the more they understand music and take a step closer to being able to create something from the ground up.

    As for the "great musician," if he doesn't, to some extent, become a computer geek and get his head 'round the new technology then he'll always be paying money to a computer geek for a good recording of his latest masterpiece.



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