FX Chain module resets X3c

Which version of Sonar? (if you could update your footer like mine that would be great).

Anybody else??

I am not sure it is a bug. The input slider setting would depend on the incoming signal.

Yes, that makes sense and that is how I took your post. The preset contains the content of the FX Chain but not the slider settings. As I wrote before, there would be no way to know what the input setting would need to be in advance. If you view it as a bug, send it in. It just looks like it may be by design. Works the same way in X2, I just tested it.

We just see the function of the FX Chain container differently. The preset is only what is in the container. The input slider setting may depend on how hot the signal is coming into the FX chain after the FX Chain is inserted and the preset loaded which would be unknowable at the time the preset was saved.

Yes, they are not automatic. No need to imagine, they are in fact the input gain and output volume of a plug-in.

It is a bug if you want it to be one.

And here are two final pieces of proof it is a bug. I tested the FX module in ProCh. and that retains input and output sliders.
Create it, save the project, close it, and reopen and the sliders are indeed in the right positions as you left them and saved
them.
 
The other is, if you leave the FX Chain in the FX bin, save the project, reopen it, the input and output settings are retained,
as they should!
 
So it is only when saving an actual FX Chain preset and reloading that where the input and output values reset to 0.

T4
This is funny. Only because you're so convinced of yourself.

Why would you need to save a value that is completely unique to each individual use? Would you save the threshold value for a compressor setting from one track/project to the next? This is the same thing.

No one is ignoring this, you're just the only one confused about it, apparently.

Haha thank you for contributing more confusion Mr. 1 post.
 
Do you understand what you are saying? Let's take your compressor example. If you are mixing a band
with a couple of songs and you need to save for example some kind of chain for the sake of continuity of
the same recordings, you expect for the settings to be retained either within the project OR if you saved a
particular preset for yourself. EVEN if you need to tweak the settings, there is absolutely no reason why any
part of your settings should be changed if you did not intend on changing them.
 
I didn't think something so simple would be so confusing!
 

T4
Oh, goodness.

Of course the values stay when you save your project. That's what you have it set as. But when you pull up a new instance what makes you think you'll need the exact same gain staging as the last time you used it? Why would you need it to be any value other than zero to start gain staging for THAT particular situation?!!

First of all, you can't dictate somebody's work flow, people will do certain things whether you understand them or not.
That is besides the point! Get it through your head, plugin settings should NEVER change if you save them whether as a
preset OR if left within a project. You are a fool if you think otherwise!

scook

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And here are two final pieces of proof it is a bug. I tested the FX module in ProCh. and that retains input and output sliders.
Create it, save the project, close it, and reopen and the sliders are indeed in the right positions as you left them and saved
them.
 
The other is, if you leave the FX Chain in the FX bin, save the project, reopen it, the input and output settings are retained,
as they should!
 
So it is only when saving an actual FX Chain preset and reloading that where the input and output values reset to 0.

Saving a project should save all the settings. How is that comparable to saving a plug-in preset? It does suggest that projects and plug-ins are not the same. Submit the bug report if it makes you happy.

What would be the point of saving a preset genius?

Well I also see this as intended behavior. I would say that 98% of fx with gain adjustment in them would load at 0 for unity gain. Not until it was inserted into a project, then adjusted, and saved within a project, would I expect to see a different setting. I guess ymmv.

Apparently, you're the only one on planet earth that wants to have a gain staging value, that will be different for every single use, to start out at a value other than 0. And then call it a bug.

And, a fool? I'm not the genius barking about phantom bugs on a forum and then wondering everyone else is ignoring it. That gave me a great laugh, btw. Just call me mr. 1 post again because that proves your point.

The bottom line is that it's not a bug. If you want to use the same gain settings for every plugin in every situation then just write them down. But, I feel sorry for the poor souls that let you record/mix them.

T4
Apparently, you're the only one on planet earth that wants to have a gain staging value, that will be different for every single use, to start out at a value other than 0. And then call it a bug.

And, a fool? I'm not the genius barking about phantom bugs on a forum and then wondering everyone else is ignoring it. That gave me a great laugh, btw. Just call me mr. 1 post again because that proves your point.

The bottom line is that it's not a bug. If you want to use the same gain settings for every plugin in every situation then just write them down. But, I feel sorry for the poor souls that let you record/mix them.

 
I never said use the same settings for EVERY situation, you said that. Dude, don't worry about it, this is past your understanding
of something fundamental. Just because the majority sees something as "intentional" it doesn't mean it is right or correct. This is
not a "phantom" issue. In my scenario of this preset saving actually saving, you have a lot better workflow than with the parameters
resetting.
 
There is no reason for the FX chain not to save as a preset when you save it as a preset. End of story. If you can't understand that
I can't help you.

scook
It really took a needlessly nasty turn. I originally commented because it seems more by design than by error. Pursuing the issue to the point of flinging insults makes no sense to me. As I posted earlier, if you see it as a bug write it up.

Scook, you and some other posters can not make passive aggressive suggestions with your insults built into them and then accuse me of being insulting. You can't understand that you are being condescending when you essentially say I only think it's a bug?