drumr
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Fade Out
Can someone describe a simple procedure for fading a track in HS6XL? Should I mix to two track and work the fade on that or do the fade on my master multi track before bouncing to two track stereo? Also, what is the fade tracks thing in one of the menus? I'm afraid to try that. Is automation the way to go or is there a simpler way to go that I'm just overlooking? Help and thanks!
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jamesg1213
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There are a few ways to skin that cat...what I usually do is to export my mix as 16 bit stereo WAV, take it back into HS (a new project) and use automation. So, click on 'arm track for automation' play the song through then click the record automation button where I want the fade to start (next to the standard record button). Grab the fader and you'll see the track turn red, showing that it's working. Then ease the fader down as required, ending up at INF (silence). Other people will have their own preferred methods, but this is what works for me. 
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drumr
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Thanks JG, does that then become the file that I would burn to CD? I was thinking of doing some mastering first to the two track. Is this then the two track I could do the mastering to and then burn to CD? I'm just not clear on how to proceed. I intend to listen via Windows Media Player before burning to save on CDs. Thanks again for your help.
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James is correct, there are a lot of ways to skin this cat.
I think you mean you want to fade the whole project not just one track of the project. That is also what James assumed.
I always route everything to busses and ultimately all tracks and/or sub busses go to a master bus. The master bus is the only output that is sent to the soundcard. This is a very common and imo preferred approach to routing ones projects. To fade the whole project you simple put a volume envelope on the master bus.
Also if you route all thru the master bus, you might want to try Boost 11 in the effects bin of the Master bus. If you already have a good sounding mix, this may be all the mastering that you want to do.
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boten
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Unfortunately Home Studio doesn't support the typical fading function you need which it's neither of the three types of envelopes you you have available. In order to construct a real fade out you first fade linearly to -INF. Then add an intermediate point and convert the first section of the fade into a slow curve and the second section into a fast curve giving the whole section a shape of a sine wave form asympthotically going to -INF.
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jamesg1213
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Is this then the two track I could do the mastering to and then burn to CD? That's it. Just make sure you select 44100 sample rate/16 bits in your export properties. I intend to listen via Windows Media Player before burning to save on CDs. Good plan! Frank (Fep) is giving good advice about routing to busses and then to the master track. This is how you save on resources and ensure that you don't overload the signal to the soundcard. Some great threads on the use of busses on the Techniques forum, if I can find them I'll pop a link in here.
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drumr
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Fep, when you say all tracks and busses go to the master buss, does that includes any busses I've set for say Vocal Reverb, Drum Reverb, etc.? Output these back to the Master Buss? And, Volume Envelope - is that what james is talking about doing or another approach? Thanks.
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fep
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Fep, when you say all tracks and busses go to the master buss, does that includes any busses I've set for say Vocal Reverb, Drum Reverb, etc.? Output these back to the Master Buss? And, Volume Envelope - is that what james is talking about doing or another approach? Thanks.
Yep exactly. Here's a picture, my sound card is the M Audio you see in the Master Bus, everything (about 20 tracks on this one) is routed thru the master bus and I've got Boost 11 on there as I mentioned: [image]  [/URL][/image] I'm not sure if James was using a record automation or using a volume envelope, both ways automate the volume. To do an envelope right click the bus in the clips pain and select envelope/volume then add nodes etc. I think I learned this in the tutorials but if not there it's certainly in the help files. It's extremely useful and important to learn so I'd advice you check it out. It's easy once you know how.
post edited by fep - 2007/11/30 19:24:15
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fep
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Here's a picture of a volume envelope on a master bus: [image]  [/URL][/image]
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That's a very handy technique, Frank. I've never tried it in SHS4, and I'm not sure if I can (nay according to Boten). I typically fade each track individually by hovering my cursor over the top right hand corner of the final clip until a small triangle appears, and drag that to the left to the point I want the fade to begin. A little more laborious than your technique but effective nonetheless.
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but I think that the image that frank showed is what boten is describing, if I'm understanding correctly.
I've done fades both ways - both using the tool on every track (time consuming for large projects) and used a volume envelope the way frank described it. both ways have their pros and cons, but both work.
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drumr
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Fep, thanks for the images - that really helped. But, what happened to the first image (photo)? It's not loading. Thanks also to jamesg - was that automation you were describing?
post edited by drumr - 2007/12/01 00:27:56
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jamesg1213
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jamesg - was that automation you were describing? Not quite, if I understand Frank correctly he's doing the fade prior to exporting the mix to a WAV, by applying an envelope to the master track (which I haven't tried - yet!) I usually apply the fade by automation to the stereo mix down WAV, which I take back into Home Studio. Both ways end up with an envelope like Frank shows, the blue curve with nodes on it. It's just a personal thing, I like to physically pull the fader and hear the fade going down while the track plays back, that's why I use the 'record automation' feature. I have also used the method Beagle mentioned, where you fade each individual track. That's a lot of work, but you can get some nice effects, hanging on just a little bit longer to a particular instrument for example. Best thing is to play around with all these methods, see which works for you.
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jamesg1213
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Let's see if I can show you a pic....this is 'arm track for automation'  and here's the track turning red as the volume goes down...  So you end up with an envelope.. 
post edited by jamesg1213 - 2007/12/01 03:31:51
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