Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ?

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2012/09/30 17:14:42 (permalink)

Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ?

Just wanted to know if anybody tried successfully to stop the fan (stop the noise generated) without any issues (heat ) ??? 

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2012/09/30 17:16:43 (permalink)
    I have never found the fan loud enough to warrant doing anything to it.
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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2012/09/30 17:36:39 (permalink)
    As far as I can tell, its a fairy standard component, same kind of thing you find in PC cases. I'm considering just swapping it out for a quieter one at some point.

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2012/09/30 17:59:20 (permalink)
    Well i have it on my left rack on my argosy ..and the night when i mix support quiet i hear it vibrate on the argosy ...even if i put forms under the racks and all ....in fact during mixing you don't hear it but feel noise in the background ...



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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2012/09/30 18:01:15 (permalink)
    John in fact i didn't pen the unit yet (except the day i put the ARX in ...) ...so i can't tell if it's standard i might yes replace it by a fan with several speed adjsutement ...

    Edit : but again people tell me that i'm not humain but a dog when it comes to hear some ....funny ...but also trouble in life and sociability ....a whole other subject ...;)  )
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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2012/09/30 22:39:57 (permalink)
    I tried stopping and replacing the fan a few years ago to no avail. When removing or stopping the fan the unit will shut as a safety precaution. And while the fan is a standard size the connectors are entirely unique, perhaps to Japan since that's where they're from. I went to my local Fry's, looked at every fan, checked out all fans available on Newegg, and didn't find a single one that matched the connector of the VS-700R's fan.

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2012/10/01 14:57:15 (permalink)
    Personally, I have no issues with fan noise. However, I had some components that were really noisy back in the day. I put my noisy equipment in a soundproof server enclosure. I'm not as brave to be switching out hardware...  
     
    Zo - nice desk... Can you fit two 23" monitors on there behind the console? I'm looking at that solution for my studio.

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2012/10/01 20:02:32 (permalink)
    my computer is louder than the vsr by far
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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2012/10/01 21:14:31 (permalink)
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    I tried stopping and replacing the fan a few years ago to no avail. When removing or stopping the fan the unit will shut as a safety precaution. And while the fan is a standard size the connectors are entirely unique, perhaps to Japan since that's where they're from. I went to my local Fry's, looked at every fan, checked out all fans available on Newegg, and didn't find a single one that matched the connector of the VS-700R's fan.

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    Thks ... but is there a way to keep the fan conected but to get of the vent so we tell vs 700 "it's here" but it's not !! ?


    Vicevursa : yep but you will have interactions with monitors ....you will have to place it like my Adam ...not genelec witch gonna force you to get off the desk of 1 m to be in the sweet listening spot ....My genelec are good when i'm closed to the desk and adam , for serious mix when i'm far from the desk (1 meter)

    But it will be ok anyway just not optimal ....this monitors is a 24 " and here the space it take font :



    you will have 2 time this space remaining as the screen is perfectly centered ;)  ....if the screens are not close (like the one i have ) no issue at all with place but issue with eyes !!!

    I planed to go with this intead of 2 screen  (same working space as 2 screens !!)

    http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/382087-382087-64283-72270-3884471-5163694.html?dnr=1

    reso = 2560 x 1440



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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2012/10/02 16:32:54 (permalink)
    There is a small little tool you can get that will release the tiny connectors in those modular type plastic plugs. I think it's called a pin tool. I've done it with two sewing needles. It's just a matter of inserting them into the existing plastic plug housing. If they don't fit, put some small heat shrink tubing over the connectors and shrink it once you're plugged onto the board. If worse comes to worse, just cut the existing plug off about and inch above the plastic and sauder it to the wires on the new fan you want to put in. I'll take for granted you know which wires are which and the fan is the proper voltage and amp draw.

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2012/10/02 23:53:44 (permalink)
    From an electronic engineers perspective the way Crg has described it is the way to go. I would leave existing connector on main board but cut wires about 2 " back. Then get fan of same size and dimensions and voltage rating etc and remove whatever connector is on that and solder to wires and heat shrink etc..

    Fans have a little arrow which details the direction of airflow so it is important to put any new fan in the same way direction wise. (Is it sucking air in or blowing air out?)

    I had the system too while working for Roland and it was quiet for me too. I think Zo is one of the unlucky ones that must have got a noisy one or it started out OK and got noisy quickly. One needs to measure the voltage on the fan because they can run at mains AC voltages or low DC voltages as well. And let us hope that it used a standard sort of voltage as well. It is a bit silly that an audio interface even needs a fan at all. They have packed too much inside that chassis. 

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2012/10/03 20:17:39 (permalink)
    If you really wanted to do it right, you'd track down the actual pin connector that fits the existing plug, put them on the new fans wires and insert them into the existing plug. I can't even tell you what a headache that is going to turn into. You'd have to learn Japanese first.

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2012/10/05 22:10:33 (permalink)
    I could not agree more

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2013/01/14 12:41:52 (permalink)
    Zo, did you ever get around to try replacing the fan?

    Now that the DAW workstation was moved to a separate equipment room I'm starting to hear the VS-700 fan ... sometimes louder than the voices in my head ;-)


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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2013/01/14 21:44:49 (permalink)
    nope i gave up , i have put some acoustic fom in the desk (under the rack ) it's still in dead silent ambience annoying ....keeping it  just for conveniance to the VS 700C monitors section .....i might talk about it to the the teck guru at the SAE ....as we also have one there ...

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2013/04/05 23:04:30 (permalink)
    Hey just looked at the pictures I have of the vs700r and everything is written on the fan. Looks like 5V, 0.13A. The yellow wire must be to control speed. Someone with a screwdriver could easily remove the the top of the chassis and look directly, that's very easy to do and take 5 minutes.

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2013/04/05 23:06:50 (permalink)
    One thing sure the fan is a San Ace 60 by Sanyo Sanki. The "60" in the name mean it's a 60 mm fan. http://db.sanyodenki.co.jp/product_db_e/coolingfan/dcfan/cooling_dcfan.html 

    Could not find the Model 109R0605M4D041. Probably discountinued (LOOOOL)... or I just can't accurately read the numbers on the picture I have. 


    The closest they have availible (according to the model's numbers) is this one: http://db.sanyodenki.co.jp/product_db_e/coolingfan/dcfan/dc_fan_detail.php?master_id=1755 

    20 dba... honestly, every fans in my computer are louder than this but I can understand some have quieter place than me. 


    Message sent to Sanyo asking for specs. Maybe they will answer....

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2013/04/06 14:27:14 (permalink)
    Thanks Dyonight

    That looks promising. If we can track down a plug and plug solution for a new fan, I'd definitely go for it. My VS-700R unit is more quiet than the (supposedly silent) new DAW workstation, but since I have moved the DAW to a separate equipment room, the VS-700 fan has become noticable. It's probably more than 20dBa; I might just have an older / different fan in there.

    Well, to be honest ... it's not distracting when mixing, even at quite levels, but I enjoy the silence when I push the stop button and the VS-700 is the only thing that spoils the sound of silence ...


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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2013/04/07 19:49:27 (permalink)
    Haha! ok  I see!

    I'll let you know if I discover more about it.

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2013/04/08 12:53:31 (permalink)
    Damn... its a custom fan haha! I don't like at all "contacting" Roland... any one want to give it a shot?

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2013/04/08 13:00:56 (permalink)
    Back to square one. I'll try to contact Roland Europe via the shop I bought the VS-700 from. Let's see how soon that ends in a dead ends street.

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2014/06/22 21:53:56 (permalink)
    Any update on this subject .....i'm about to stop using it because of that !! just got a passive (zero fan) rig , and all i hear is the VS 700 like crazy :!!!  sad to use my RME UCX  instead as i'm gonna loose the monitoring conveninet thing on the console (specialy the Sub mix for heaphone to skip my ARC 2 witch imact VS 700 main output)
     
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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2014/06/27 20:11:41 (permalink)
    I'm wondering just how custom a fan can be. I don't think I'd have a lot of fear about cutting the plug off and attaching it to a different fan.

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2014/08/02 11:28:20 (permalink)
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    I'm wondering just how custom a fan can be. I don't think I'd have a lot of fear about cutting the plug off and attaching it to a different fan.



    I reckon someone has to be brave and simply try it. When I contacted local support a year ago, I also got the "custom fan, no replacement" reply ... but I'd be really interested in making the unit more quiet ... yet I don't dare to cut the the plug myself :-(

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    Re:Fan noise of the VS 700 r ..anybody tried this ? 2014/10/28 11:49:44 (permalink)
    Hi, just come across this thread. I've actually tried moding the CPU fan on my PC as it was too noisy when running X1. Just to say my knowledge of practical electronics was (is) close to zero. Can at best solder a guitar lead. So everything in this post should be read with this disclaimer in mind. However, I decided to have a go and after reading up, have wired in a resistor and the fan is less noisy now. Note that the PC's motherboard actually needs the fan to be spinning otherwise it shuts down. I am now getting a bit more adventurous and planning to build variable resistor so that I can actually vary the fan speed and also bolting on a fanless CPU heat sink (which in combination with a slow speed fan) should both reduce noise and keep the PC cool and running. So it is not hard to do, a website called bit-tech.net shows a similar mod under heading 'Adding Fan Speed Control'. To begin with, maybe experiment with a potentiometer until you find the lowest setting at which V700R fan can run. A radical solution would be to build a fan simulator which is also something I'm considering. This circuit would output a pulse 'tricking' the V700R's motherboard into sensing a fan there. There is a very old post with some schematics hardwarecentral.com. This however still leaves the question of actual cooling. The fan is there for a reason probably, and you would then need to operate the unit with the top off just as a precaution or affix a fanless heatsink (or both). Out of the two a safer solution would be to slow the fan down as much as possible, and either mod the casing, for instance by punching holes/removing sides, or by taking top off, with heatsink optional.... All of this of course if you fancy a challenge - you could simply buy an audio interface without in-built fan.
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