Fascinating thread on Sonar X1 from 'the other side of the fence'

...no matter how cool Sonar X1 may look, it still isn't worthy of being in Reaper 3's shade...Kudos to the [Reaper] developers for making a DAW software that is soon becoming the benchmark for which all other DAWs will be measured.

One thing you can say about Reaper users is they are serious fans of their chosen DAW!

It seems that most of the people who are complaining [about X1] are old geezers who lack the neuroplasticity to grok a new interface. At some point, the Dunning-Kruger effect is going to bite every program, and this may be the point where the ancient guitar-slinging primates get off the boat, and they'll be replaced by a new generation of users.

"Ancient guitar-slinging primates"? Ouch. You're right, aj, that was some entertaining reading. Unfortunately, they all got civil after that and the thread fizzled.

"Ancient guitar-slinging primates"?

I kind of like that moniker.  I think I'll keep that one. 

What's a guitar?

bitflipper

It seems that most of the people who are complaining [about X1] are old geezers who lack the neuroplasticity to grok a new interface. At some point, the Dunning-Kruger effect is going to bite every program, and this may be the point where the ancient guitar-slinging primates get off the boat, and they'll be replaced by a new generation of users.

"Ancient guitar-slinging primates"? Ouch. You're right, aj, that was some entertaining reading. Unfortunately, they all got civil after that and the thread fizzled.

Well I know that ain't about me anyway ;)

My tracks prove that LOL

Glennbo

Mod Bod

"Ancient guitar-slinging primates"?

I kind of like that moniker.  I think I'll keep that one. 

Real guitars are for OLD people!   ;)   http://www.southpark.nl/clips/sp_vid_155857/

That fits me perfectly.

I say let's start our own (online) musical group and call ourselves "The Guitar-Slinging Primates".  We can take turns adding tracks to each project...  who wants to start?   

Think I'll give Reaper a try. I'm a guitar player, singer songwriter - non synth, except a synth guitar which is just another guitar.

X1 doesn't work reliably. I totally wiped it off my i7-860 including all registry entries, checked everything in Win7, all latency memory and the other bs people blamed for X1 hangs.

Installed X1 again and the behavior is the same. The patch and Lynx patch is confidence destroying. That took another couple of days to sort out. Why?

Had a practice recording to do on Thursday and X1 failed to make the checklist one hour before start. Over the past week I had invested double the time it took me to learn Adobe Premiere CS5 from tutorials. Still not working.  Shifted the recording to R16 for the evening.

I'm going to reinstall 8.5.3 and Reaper. Since I'm a fast study in Win interface and lousy on learning old code, have a good feeling I'll be reaping some rewards pretty quick.

I want to record - tired of fighting a battle for Sonar.

Sonar should learn a proper alpha/beta/user acceptance testing cycle for their code. Don't believe me - read a book. This is too old.

Reminds me of all the old coders from the 80s and 90s having their asses kicked by nimble kids writing cool aps like Facebook and Twitter.

Even Flickr only took 2 years to get right. How do you know when the code is good? When millions of people use it. When it costs nothing or near nothing.

The crazy thing about CW is they don't get it. They are losing customer loyalty which is so expensive to their growth. They don't get it.

Reading the threads about 8.x its an old story. Buggy code released too early, users screaming on the forum because things don't work anymore.

X1 might be interesting at Release 2. I paid my ticket so we'll see. Just don't have any interest in banging my head on the recording desk trying to get projects finished.

That thread appears to be mostly people from here, saying the same things they say here.

I could really use some coffee- hmmm. can it dish out an Egg McMuffin? Then I'd be sold.

Electric guitar is a synth.

It is no less a synth than a B3 organ.

You generate tones... you combine them into "chords"... torture them with all kinds of electronic filters.

If some youngster doesn't realize we've been playing synths since before they were born then they have no chance of ever catching up... much less define the future.

At least they got the primate part right.

best regards,
mike

I'm not from Reaper that's more user-bashing. I'm from here and have been for 2.5 years.

I'm also a software developer and know bad code and bad release cycles when I see it.

How do you know a product is defective -when the customer support department has to be superman to keep customers happy.

Imagine if your next car was an X1.

The software industry has been getting away with murder for decades. So was the auto industry until the Japanese and Germans invaded. Ford fought back with new quality and GM died while denying the issues.

I don't know if Reaper is any good or not, but for $40 what have I got to lose? It only costs $150 if you make more than $20K a year from recording.

I hope Sonar X1 gets better. Cheers.

PS - my synth guitar plays through a GR20 which has the patches so I can then record sound, or midi if I like. With a GI-20 I can patch through to whatever midi synths are on my computer. That's not how I record. I record me and the boys playing analog instruments, although we are moving percussion to e-drums. double cheers.

rjt


People are the same everywhere.  I do a lot of photography.  People on the Paint Shop Pro forum are going to Photo Shop Elements, people using Photo Shop Elements are going to Bibble or Gimp or the free Windows stuff.  People using free stuff want Lightroom..... people who upgraded to Lightroom 3 from Lightroom 2 complain about poor performance, crashing and lack of features..... blah, blah blah.  Somebody talks about how much it costs, somebody wants it free, somebody is losing customers, somebody coded something with bugs.  Frankly it is all hilarious (IMHO)  I was checking phone plans.... all the AT&Ters are switching to Sprint and all the Sprint users are going to Verizon who are all looking for no-contract providers.  Of course, most people use the software, car, toaster, phone plan and make it work..... but they don't post on the internet.

A massive QFT for that.

All computers can crash.  I think Windows has come a long way since the Windows 3.1 days.

True, it should not have been delivered with a bad 1394 system driver.  But I was able to correct it. and Windows 7 has been very stable.  Now it only crashes when I hold down the power button!  D'oh!

I think what was fascinating, and I agree with wormser, was the lack of hostility.

You *do* realize that this quote is from this groop's own "Resonant Order" who goes by "Resonant Serpent" over there?

I suspected as much.

The irony is that Reaper is best-suited for traditional recording methods using real instruments, and its most obvious shortcoming is weak MIDI support. But I expect Resonant Whatever's definition of "irony" is what his mom does to his Iron Maiden t-shirts.