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2017/01/13 20:33:30 (permalink)

Faster workflow?

I have a question regarding the clipping indicator on a track meter.  When I am in the initial stages of mixing and fleshing out volume levels, I periodically clip tracks.  Every time a track or bus clips, the red indicator lights up, but it stays on permanently until I click it.  Seems like I spend a lot of time clicking on the clip indicator to set it back to its iintial state. I would prefer it to stay on for a certain length of time, and then disappear until the next clip... is there a setting I could adjust to make that change?  It's probably right in from of my nose, but I can't seem to find it...
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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/13 20:37:44 (permalink)
If you press spacebar (play) it will also clear the red clipping indicators.
But do not forget that these indicators are essential to prevent audio clipping. Always use a good compressor and limiter before exporting the final audio.

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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/14 13:17:45 (permalink)
Thanks for the help, Rogerio.
 
When I press the spacebar, it does reset, but the music begins to play again.   Is there any way to just have the clip indicators reset without the music starting up again?   Maybe a key binding?
 
Comps + limiters = very important
 
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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/14 13:28:08 (permalink)
By the way, R, your animation music is really cool!!
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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/14 13:28:48 (permalink)
never mind

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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/14 13:38:12 (permalink)
Myself I want those red light to always show. I deal with it immediately. Why would you want to ignore them? 
The quick fix would be to turn down the tracks gain. But myself I find the over, zero in and lower it with the applied gain process. If there's a lot of them I will either re do the track properly or tool copy to Wave Lab and mirco edit the wave. Some use volume envelops.  
 
 
And for me the lights do re set when I hit the space bar. Not sure how this is toggled, I certainly don't change much in Sonar from the defaults. But its easy to hit a key that changes things and not be aware you did.
post edited by Cactus Music - 2017/01/16 12:18:41

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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/14 14:35:51 (permalink)
I understand the wish and support the idea that this should be an option if it's not.
But personally, I wouldn't change it. It's actually quite important that they stay on forever, you may not always have seen the clip, it could have been on a track that was out of sight at the time. You should never just "click it away" unless you actually fixed the clipping. Or you think you did. If you come back later and see the track clipped again you didn't fix it properly. If there was a time limit on it it you might never notice. The light isn't actually in your way, you just don't like looking at it I guess. But if the check engine light on your car keeps coming on you should also check the engine, not turn off the light.
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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/14 15:07:34 (permalink)
You could use the key binding: Reset All Clips and Numeric Peak Indicators in Global Bindings.
 
But that would reset not only clip indicators but all other level indicators, too.
 
 

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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/14 15:39:44 (permalink)
 
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By the way, R, your animation music is really cool!!




Thanks!
Just to corroborate the above opinions, red lights are important and should not be ignored.
The best way to not see them, is: do not cause them. That is, decrease the gain, and/or use envelopes to decrease the volume at the points where they occur, and/or use compressors and finally a limiter.
All of this, of course, with knowledge of the end result you want.
 
In practice, in Sonar, audio clipping only occurs on the last bus, as I could verify in this post. Or possibly some VST on some intermediate track or bus, which does not know how to deal with signals above 0 db (but most know how to handle it).
 
Therefore, audio clipping will occur only in the exported final file (or in the final audio that is outputting from your speaker.

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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/14 17:43:55 (permalink)
Thanks all... your advice makes a lot of sense, and should be standard operating procedure... maybe its just me and my newb ways-- a little impatient I guess, as when I am checking tracks for clipping, I want to be able to rewind etc. and change the gain/volume levels quickly without having to click both the master and the final stereo output(speakers) faders over and over(and over and over) lol  It speaks to my lack of expertise(usually takes me multiple trials to figure things out.)
 
Anyway, back to the board.
 
Salud!
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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/15 00:21:00 (permalink)
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 Is there any way to just have the clip indicators reset without the music starting up again?  



If you stop the transport, the clipping indicators are reset -- or at least they are reset when you start the next time.
If it is not an issue you wish to manage with compression, then you should lower all levels.  Select all the tracks, and then hold down the ctrl key while adjusting one of the track faders.  That will adjust everything in proportion, stopping the distortion and leaving your mix in place.
 
It is really important to get the levels into a non-clipping range before you do much else because many of the other effects behave differently at high input levels. You need to get everything down into a reasonable working range that does not clip before doing much else with the mix.

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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/15 01:55:34 (permalink)
+1 for keybinding Reset Clip/Peak Indicators. I use this all the time when tweaking levels while looping

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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/15 07:09:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rogeriodec 2017/01/15 16:26:27
When the dynamic Control Bar was introduced at the beginning of 2015, the Bakers removed Reset All Clips and Numeric Peak Indicators from SHIFT+C and instead assigned Expand/Collapse the Main Control Bar. When I noticed it, I immediately (re-)assigned Reset All Clips and Numeric Peak Indicators to SHIFT+C, because the keyboard shortcut is so handy and I also don't have the need to collapse CB.

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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/15 09:02:37 (permalink)
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+1 for keybinding Reset Clip/Peak Indicators. I use this all the time when tweaking levels while looping


I'm even lazier, I just added the command to a spare button in the Custom Module

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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/15 11:26:33 (permalink)
A continued thanks to you all... some more good advice and suggestions... looks like key binding is the way to go as I fumble my way to the endzone   :$
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Re: Faster workflow? 2017/01/15 15:39:09 (permalink)
Seems like that would be a nice option
 
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