The original project 5 let you set up the screen how you liked it (totally blank if you were a minimalist) and then saving as chief template. This would automatically open up when youstarted P5. Very elegant. Reason does the same. Sonar has that dumb choose option box pop up and it doesn't even have focus on my computer when it pops up. 

decide which effects/ instruments are going to be continually supported and make them 64 bit and don't install the rest by default. don't even give the option of installing them- they are dead wood. 

track bin view options should be set to "all" by default and not "custom"

anyways these are minor concerns- I'm very enthusiastic with how X1 is taking shape.

Are there other notation programs that integrate nicely with Sonar? If there are I don't think Cakewalk should be wasting their time with it. Same as they don't need to extend audio editing capabilities when adobe audition/sf/wavelab are available.

Twigman

Something to prevent apostrophe abuse in thread titles.

... now that's funny! No apostrophes were harmed in the making of this post. 


You might enjoy the book we were given recently: The Book of "Unnecessary" Quotation Marks... fun stuff!

backwoods

Are there other notation programs that integrate nicely with Sonar? If there are I don't think Cakewalk should be wasting their time with it. Same as they don't need to extend audio editing capabilities when adobe audition/sf/wavelab are available. 

Oh boy. Here we go again. As stated in my post, I am not asking, nor is anyone asking as far as I've seen, for full-featured notation in SONAR. Those of us (and there are Quite A Few) who use the Staff View as an interface for entering and editing MIDI data, and/or printing out a quick sheet for someone else to play from, would like the tool to be at a level where it is a bit more usable and less crippled. That's all. It doesn't need to derail development of the rest of the program, it just needs a bit of attention. Why are we not allowed to ask for that?

The Staff View exists, so obviously CW thought at one point that it was worth bothering with. Several major competitors also see it as worth bothering with, as they provide substantially more complete implementations in their DAWs. I'd prefer to make a perfectly reasonable feature request in the context of a thread discussing such, than to switch platforms - or buy an expensive additional full notation package - for one feature that is currently there, and is basically functional but could easily be so much better. 

You may not use or need it but it's poor form to announce that CW shouldn't "waste their time" with something that is clearly important to a reasonable proportion of the user base. 

Notation improvements for me too...

quantized automation, when drawing freehand, when ever i try to automate reason in sonar, it only works with the subtractor, not the thor, malstrom combinator anything, would like to see these addressed

I would like to see the pre-post knob on the module itself. FWIW, some of the guys that use ProChannel may not be aware that they can even monitor VSTi's thru it with the post activated. If it automatically comes up in pre mode you have no ProChannel in realtime on your VSTi. It would be easier to track down if it is shut off if you had a switch in the module view. That's all I meant.

I'd like to see a Real Time Analyzer on the Pro-Channel EQ section.  That would assist with fixing peaks/valleys that needs addressed.

Tom

rbowser

amiller


I'd like to see a real, USABLE scrub tool...one that lets you stop on a piece of music and the sound continues to be heard at that point.  Currently, when you stop moving the mouse the sound stops...duh!!!

---um, what?  A "scrub tool" is exactly that--You scrub the tool with your cursor/mouse.  It kind of loses its point if it continues to play.  The idea is you want to hear just one chord--stop--one phrase--stop--The scrub tool is functioning the way it has to/needs to.  - duh. 

RB

Ahhh...you couldn't be more wrong.  If you've ever worked with Roland's VS2480 recorder you would know what I was talking about.  I want to be able to stop moving the mouse and still hear sound so that I can then very slowly move the mouse backward or forward to find the very very beginning of a piece of music...with my ears not my eyes.  As you mentioned, with the current scrub tool you can find a chord or phrase...BUT...I want to get even finer resolution and find the very beginning or ending edge of a chord or phrase.
 
Lets say that I've recorded a guitar phrase but I have a little clink sound that is at the beginning of the phrase and is part of the phrase.  I want to surgically remove that clink without removing any other part of the phrase.  With a true scrub I can "hear" exactly where the clink begins AND ends and then just snip out that piece.

rbowser: ---um, what? A "scrub tool" is exactly that--You scrub the tool with your cursor/mouse. It kind of loses its point if it continues to play. The idea is you want to hear just one chord--stop--one phrase--stop--The scrub tool is functioning the way it has to/needs to. - duh.

First of all, why so rude? Second of all, why not have a scrub tool that goes beyond your limited definition of a scrub tool? Sure, have it behave like a traditional scrub, but why not expand the capability? Have more useful options?

Re notation: I'd just repeat what subtlearts said... I don't need publishing quality notation, but I do need a notation system where I can easily enter in and edit scores.

Sonar and video soundtrack creation is waaaaay behind. Something I don't see requested but is vital is: time based tracks and busses. Right now you can't do music, dialog, and sound effects for a video in one session because if you change the tempo for a music cue it will completely screw up the timing of your track and buss automation. Other DAWs can do this, why not Sonar?

And: show me the LENGTH OF SELECTION!!!!!

HumbleNoise

rbowser

HumbleNoise





I've worked around it with a hidden (Track Manager) Audio track and open that template with Cntrl 'N' as my 'Normal' template but I would like a true Blank template with operational Screen Sets. Maybe someday though I don't think many of us use a true blank template - could be wrong.

hehe--I recognize this particular war-dance, Humble - Your desire for a Normal template that has no tracks.  I'm sorry, but I still don't get what the big deal is.  You either use the tracks that come with the template, or you take 3 seconds (tops!--I timed it) to delete them.--  So not a biggie.

RB

True Randy and also true with a lot of other issues. 3 Seconds and you're good to go. To me that's the point of any change in a feature - the 3 seconds.

It's only one additional click to deselect all MIDI notes when editing a MIDI clip, it's only one click to set the snap to be different in PRV than track view. All of them 'no big deal' when looked at in that way. So no need to change any of them?

Hi, HN - I was talking only about the template default having the two tracks.  I wasn't referring to any other issue users are having, and so wasn't making any judgement about how vital any of the other fixes are. 

I do know what the thing is with me and this particular topic - Ever since I started using Cakewalk I've stayed with the default template of having a MIDI track and an Audio track in the blank project.  It seems normal to me - We get used to things and can end up not understanding why someone else finds them a nuisance, I'm sure you've noticed that.

With these tracks - it's not as if I always delete them.  I often need to import audio into a project, very often in fact, and there's the Audio track waiting to accommodate that import.  I also will use my hardware synth to test some things out since it's so convenient - I just focus on the MIDI track and I'm ready.  Or I delete the tracks, or hide them etc. -

But yes, there can be an accumulation of things that take extra clicks, and that's a problem since it adds time to our work which wasn't involved before.

RB

rbowser

HumbleNoise

rbowser

HumbleNoise





I've worked around it with a hidden (Track Manager) Audio track and open that template with Cntrl 'N' as my 'Normal' template but I would like a true Blank template with operational Screen Sets. Maybe someday though I don't think many of us use a true blank template - could be wrong.

hehe--I recognize this particular war-dance, Humble - Your desire for a Normal template that has no tracks.  I'm sorry, but I still don't get what the big deal is.  You either use the tracks that come with the template, or you take 3 seconds (tops!--I timed it) to delete them.--  So not a biggie.

RB

True Randy and also true with a lot of other issues. 3 Seconds and you're good to go. To me that's the point of any change in a feature - the 3 seconds.

It's only one additional click to deselect all MIDI notes when editing a MIDI clip, it's only one click to set the snap to be different in PRV than track view. All of them 'no big deal' when looked at in that way. So no need to change any of them?

Hi, HN - I was talking only about the template default having the two tracks.  I wasn't referring to any other issue users are having, and so wasn't making any judgement about how vital any of the other fixes are. 

I do know what the thing is with me and this particular topic - Ever since I started using Cakewalk I've stayed with the default template of having a MIDI track and an Audio track in the blank project.  It seems normal to me - We get used to things and can end up not understanding why someone else finds them a nuisance, I'm sure you've noticed that.

With these tracks - it's not as if I always delete them.  I often need to import audio into a project, very often in fact, and there's the Audio track waiting to accommodate that import.  I also will use my hardware synth to test some things out since it's so convenient - I just focus on the MIDI track and I'm ready.  Or I delete the tracks, or hide them etc. -

But yes, there can be an accumulation of things that take extra clicks, and that's a problem since it adds time to our work which wasn't involved before.

RB

Yeah I get all that Randy but this thread is not about whether each feature request is appropriate or not to a particular user. It's simply about feature requests. I'd like to see a true blank template that preserves Screen Sets.

What would you like to see in X2?

windsurfer25x
No more plugins PLEASE!

Wouldn't mind a Rapture 2 (updated GUI and stuff), Z3ta 2, etc.. 

Um, is this post a self-created paradox? 

...wicked

stickman393
What exactly is preventing you guys from dropping FX into the FX bin? I think bloating the Pro Channel is exactly the wrong way to go - unless I'm missing something about what you're asking for. 

This.


Once you start adding fx where do you stop? I'd also like to see a reverb, a second EQ, a distortion, and a flanger added to the Pro-Channel...


Compression and EQ make sense since they're what you find in a normal channel strip, and they're dynamics sculpting tools. You would THEN send your happy signal on to delays, verbs, etc. Besides, with a delay there's many blending options to consider that incorporating it in the base channel would seem to undercut them.


I mean hey, maybe it's a good argument for having blank slots in the channel strip that you can assemble your own "rack" of Pro-Channel effects to save and recall at will...tho I suppose fx-chains takes care of that too.

I think having a sort of a FX Swiss Army knife within the Pro Channels strip is a pretty good idea. If Cake did the same great job on a world class reverb, delay (insert FX of your choice here) etc. as they did on the ProChannel compressors and EQ (minor quibbles aside) it might create a great one stop FX chain for each channel and bus as well. I think each interface would need a lot of thought in order to make it really usable but the idea has some possibilities I think.

It wouldn't replace 3rd party FX and you wouldn't have to use anything you didn't want to use but to have everything right there? Pretty interesting.

tyacko: there is a program by Voxengo called Span that you should download. It is free and not crippled in any way. It even has a PDF manual.

subtlearts: hey, my previous message did read a bit brusquely. Sorry about that. But your arguments for making notation better apply equally to audio editing. It seems that some Roland distributors around the world work as distributors for Finale products also. Maybe there is some link between the companies and Sonar could access a simple Notation program from them.

Another request: Microscopic FX bin fonts could be fixed- maybe a magnifying glass option when the mouse is over the fx bin or wherever the mouse is generally.