Feature request - Project sections

Author
tunekicker
Max Output Level: -65 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 1261
  • Joined: 2005/10/28 14:39:50
  • Location: Grand Junction, CO
  • Status: offline
2016/09/16 21:04:14 (permalink)
4.5 (2)

Feature request - Project sections

Hi,

I have an idea for improving Sonar. I believe this would another powerful way to differentiate Sonar significantly from the other DAWs out there. Conceptually it is pretty simple - I want to be better able to manage working on an entire album's worth of songs in one Sonar project. This can be done already to some extent, but there are a number of features that become more cumbersome when working with longer projects that have multiple songs or sections. Automation. Plugins. Freezing. Tempo. Meter. Key.

What I want is to have the ability to add a new kind of "marker" to a project on the timeline - one that specifies the beginning of a new Section (or song). Each Section would enable plugins, automation, freezing, tempo, meter, key to be set/used completely independently of settings for other sections.

This would enable users to freeze the contents of a track independently for each section of the project. Or apply different plugins on a track to different sections of the project. Or work with track automation without needing to worry about continuity from one section to the next. All of this would make it MUCH, MUCH easier to manage longer projects - whether multiple songs for an album, multiple sections of a composition, or just a live recording that contains an entire show.

In addition, a new "global track" plugin bay would be added. This would enable users to quickly process content in an entire track through a set of plugins in real time, apply plugins to a specific section, and move them back and forth. In a way, you could think of the "global" plugin tray as the plugin tray that does most of the work when mixing the whole album, whereas the section specific plugin tray would be used to shape the tones in different sections so they are more consistent before going into the global track plugin tray.

The global bypass feature could be expanded on to enable automatic bypass for Section specific plugins that aren't in the current section, with a few seconds of silence between sections to enable a smooth transition from bypassing one set of plugins to enabling the other in a way that enables correct application of automatic delay compensation.
 
For instance, in this way, the user could easily choose between the processes that they want to apply to the snare drum for all sections, but still apply specific processing to the snare on individual sections as needed. Functionally this could be performed by using the current track plugin bay for global changes and clip specific bay for "section" specific processing, but this new architecture is more flexible, visible, and extensible. It would enable Freeze in just one section of the song, which can't be done today. In addition, this feature set could be expanded by enabling the user to "drive down" plugins from the "global" track plugin bay into a single track section or into selected/all track sections, and enabling users to easily copy plugins from one track section plugin bay to the plugin bay for that track in a different section.

What do you all think? Want to jump on board and make this popular enough that Cakewalk puts it into development?

Peace,

Tunes
#1

6 Replies Related Threads

    John
    Forum Host
    • Total Posts : 30467
    • Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
    • Status: offline
    Re: Feature request - Project sections 2016/09/16 21:14:46 (permalink)
    0
    You can do this already with clip FX. The Split tool also works well for creating sections/songs. Because markers can have a label they can be used to denote all sorts of things.

    Best
    John
    #2
    tunekicker
    Max Output Level: -65 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1261
    • Joined: 2005/10/28 14:39:50
    • Location: Grand Junction, CO
    • Status: offline
    Re: Feature request - Project sections 2016/09/16 21:27:12 (permalink)
    0
    At a basic level maybe, but Freeze still freezes the track for the whole length of the song. This is/would be cumbersome when working with a live multi-track recording, whole album, or composition in a single project. The same goes for plugin load. I don't believe plugins unload from CPU just because you're in a different place in the timeline than the clip they are on.

    With defined sections it could easier to move sections around, too. Right now care has to be taken to get bus automation to move with everything else.
     
    Peace,

    Tunes
    #3
    John
    Forum Host
    • Total Posts : 30467
    • Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
    • Status: offline
    Re: Feature request - Project sections 2016/09/17 23:46:08 (permalink)
    0
    I wouldn't use freeze on this sort of thing. I have done a full album at one recording session and what I did is what I described above. It worked well.  

    Best
    John
    #4
    BobF
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 8124
    • Joined: 2003/11/05 18:43:11
    • Location: Missouri - USA
    • Status: offline
    Re: Feature request - Project sections 2016/09/18 10:32:47 (permalink)
    0
    I would actually prefer sub-projects for this ....

    Bob  --
    Angels are crying because truth has died ...
    Illegitimi non carborundum
    --
    Studio One Pro / i7-6700@3.80GHZ, 32GB Win 10 Pro x64
    Roland FA06, LX61+, Fishman Tripleplay, FaderPort, US-16x08 + ARC2.5/Event PS8s 
    Waves Gold/IKM Max/Nomad Factory IS3/K11U

    #5
    jimfogle
    Max Output Level: -81 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 463
    • Joined: 2007/03/14 10:08:19
    • Location: North Carolina USA
    • Status: offline
    Re: Feature request - Project sections 2016/09/20 11:37:12 (permalink)
    0
    +1 Like your idea as stated.  Zoom MRS multitrack hardware digital recorders like the MRS-1608 and HD-16 have a feature called "scenes".  Scenes is a snapshot of all settings at that moment in the timeline.

    Jim F
    Cakewalk by Bandlab (CbB)
    Sonar Home Studio V23.9.0 build 32
    Music Creator 6
    Band-in-a-Box, Audacity, ChordPulse
    Win 7, i3 cpu, 8Gig ram, 480 Gig Dell Laptop
    http://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home
     
     
    #6
    EyjolfurG
    Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 103
    • Joined: 2007/11/24 04:52:35
    • Status: offline
    Re: Feature request - Project sections 2016/09/24 04:32:13 (permalink)
    0
    BobF
    I would actually prefer sub-projects for this ....

    I agree. The sub project could show up as a one or more rendered wav tracks in a folder. From there you could navigate to the orginal project, make some changes and export them back again before returning to the master project. All in an easy way. You can do this manualy today but it is clumbersome .

    Eyjolfur G.
    #7
    Jump to:
    © 2024 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1