neirbod
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Feature request - export takes
I made the following point in a thread about take lanes in general in X3, but after more experience felt it deserves its own thread and a bit more detail so it does not get lost. Now that take lanes are far improved, especially for multi miced instruments, there is a need to be able to easily export the audio of individual takes. A very common practice is for an engineer to track an album at one studio and then send wave files to a mix engineer at a different studio to import into whatever DAW he uses. Typically I will send along the three best takes of drums, bass etc., and the best 5-6 takes of solos and lead vocals so the mixer has some options to work with. I am tracking such an album now. While X3 is great for tracking and auditoning multiple takes, exporting the audio from various takes is cumbersome, tedious, and prone to user error. This is because the only way to do it is to manually select one take to solo, export the track in the export audio dialogue, then go back and solo the next take and continue. With many tracks with multiple takes the time really adds up. I spent a lot of time yesterday doing this, and kept thinking " this should be much easier." In the earlier thread Ketih from Cakewalk chimed in and suggested an "export takes" option could be added to a future release. I truly hope this happens as the current system is a major workflow obstacle and it seems like a fairly simple programming change would fix this. I did submit this as a feature request. I am happy to say I am optimistic it will be implemented soon (X3c?) as Cakewalk has been far more responsive following the release of X3 and seem to be more focused on listening to their customers. Hoping this very positive trend continues!
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stevec
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/09 12:46:21
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Not that I've tried, but what happens if you use the Flatten Takes command on each track and then export those?
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/09 13:33:01
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stevec
Not that I've tried, but what happens if you use the Flatten Takes command on each track and then export those?
Unless I am missing something I don't see how that helps me to quickly export all takes for a given set of tracks. If you have an idea how I can use flatten takes to help I would appreciate more details. Thanks.
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/09 14:04:08
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Ohhh... Yeah, ignore my last reply. Nothing to see there. 
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brundlefly
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/09 14:53:52
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What about selecting all takes, and just dragging them out to a folder? The caveats/limitations that come immediately to mind are few but possibly significant:
1. You won't get Track FX applied unless you freeze them first.
2. You'll want to make sure the clips are named appropriately.
3. One clip per lane, and all clips need to start at time zero to make alignment easy (slip-editing should help here).
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neirbod
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/09 21:55:42
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What about selecting all takes, and just dragging them out to a folder?
Good idea. I tried this. It works well for takes that start at the beginning of a song. But if you have takes that are just parts of a song (e.g., a vocal chorus, or a solo) then each file is only the length of the the specific clip so it would be very difficult for a mix engineer to line everything up. Also, the caveats you mentioned are substantial. Still, for some takes this approach is useful as a workaround. While various work arounds may exist, this does not IMHO negate the need for Cakewalk to update the Export Audio feature. With X3's take lanes now far more useful, takes have in many ways become the new tracks. We need the Export Audio feature, will all of its flexibility, available for takes to use Sonar effectively for professional collaboration.
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/10 05:48:36
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What if you select.export all audio as Broadcast waves. They are.time.stamped.
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/10 10:39:06
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What if you select.export all audio as Broadcast waves. They are.time.stamped.
Unless I am missing something I don't see how this helps export takes. Can you elaborate?
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brundlefly
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/10 11:36:06
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neirbod
While various work arounds may exist, this does not IMHO negate the need for Cakewalk to update the Export Audio feature. With X3's take lanes now far more useful, takes have in many ways become the new tracks. We need the Export Audio feature, will all of its flexibility, available for takes to use Sonar effectively for professional collaboration.
I absolutely agree this needs to be added to facilitate moving projects to different environments. Just make sure you enter a formal request because the Bakers don't necessarily see this stuff on the forum: http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/featurerequest.aspx EDIT: Ah, I see from your OP you did this already. Good deal.
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neirbod
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/10 12:07:12
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brundleflyI absolutely agree this needs to be added to facilitate moving projects to different environments. Just make sure you enter a formal request because the Bakers don't necessarily see this stuff on the forum:
http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/featurerequest.aspx
EDIT: Ah, I see from your OP you did this already. Good deal.
In fact I entered a formal request twice ;). Glad you agree with the need for this feature. I would therefore ask you to also submit a feature request. I figure the more of us that request it the more likely it is they will address it.
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/10 12:08:46
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Let me throw this idea out there... With your take lanes exposed/expanded, use the comping feature to select only the take (or takes) you want. First, select the track containing the desired take(s) (with entire track high-lighted) and mute all clips (not track) in the track you wish to export the take(s) from. Select the desired take(s) and make sure everything else is not selected (automatically muted). The "composite" track (the main audio track) now contains the take(s) you desire in an isolated state at the same position as recorded. Now prepare your export mix by muting all other tracks and soloing the desired (composite) track. You will now have the specific take at its original position (with desired fx applied: disable fx in mix down options or at the track level) for export. Of course, you would have to repeat this for each track which holds your desired take(s). Try this and get back to us on your results. Here is the comping video by the Bakers for your convenience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPi1BkBhEvE&feature=youtu.be Kind regards, Living Room Rocker
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/10 13:30:11
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What you're describing sounds like just exporting a comped track. That's not going to give you a separate file for each take with a single export operation, which is the goal of an "Export Takes" function.
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neirbod
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/10 14:21:28
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Living Room RockerOf course, you would have to repeat this for each track which holds your desired take(s). Try this and get back to us on your results. This is exactly what I am doing now. Yes it works. But it is extremely tedious when you have many tracks each with several takes.
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/11 01:52:42
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neirbod
Living Room RockerOf course, you would have to repeat this for each track which holds your desired take(s). Try this and get back to us on your results.
This is exactly what I am doing now. Yes it works. But it is extremely tedious when you have many tracks each with several takes.
What if you mix down to separate tracks? Then export the new tracks at once.
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/11 02:32:54
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brundlefly
What about selecting all takes, and just dragging them out to a folder?
Good idea. I tried this. It works well for takes that start at the beginning of a song. But if you have takes that are just parts of a song (e.g., a vocal chorus, or a solo) then each file is only the length of the the specific clip so it would be very difficult for a mix engineer to line everything up. Also, the caveats you mentioned are substantial. Still, for some takes this approach is useful as a workaround.
While various work arounds may exist, this does not IMHO negate the need for Cakewalk to update the Export Audio feature. With X3's take lanes now far more useful, takes have in many ways become the new tracks. We need the Export Audio feature, will all of its flexibility, available for takes to use Sonar effectively for professional collaboration.
In Sonar 7 there is an option under Global Options/Audio Data for "Export Broadcast Waves By Default". Not sure if Sonar X3 has that option or where it would be located or if it would timestamp files exported by drag and drop. But you may want to try to see if there is something like that and if it does in fact time stamp the exported wave files by drag and drop. If so, any program that accepts broadcast wave files should be able to import them into the correct time location on the time line.
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/11 03:44:59
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That's what I mentioned earlier.
A broadcast wave is time stamped so that a clip/track that goes for 2 bars but starts at bar 52 would have the timing info in the exported wave to locate the clip after 52 bars of nothing, then play for 2 bars.
That allows you to line up all broadcast waves.
I think it's in Preferences/audio off the top of my head
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/11 04:22:31
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That's what I mentioned earlier.
A broadcast wave is time stamped so that a clip/track that goes for 2 bars but starts at bar 52 would have the timing info in the exported wave to locate the clip after 52 bars of nothing, then play for 2 bars.
That allows you to line up all broadcast waves.
I think it's in Preferences/audio off the top of my head
Ya I knew what you were getting at Mudgel. But it seemed the op and others didn't pick up on it so I tried to reiterate what you were saying. I just couldn't remember if this works for drag drop. But I think it does. Also, the other program needs to be able to import broadcast waves. If I remember correctly ProTools charges like $500 for this feature. This will probably be a triple post. Stupid @&$ forum software!
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/12 09:36:32
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mudgel
That's what I mentioned earlier.
A broadcast wave is time stamped so that a clip/track that goes for 2 bars but starts at bar 52 would have the timing info in the exported wave to locate the clip after 52 bars of nothing, then play for 2 bars.
That allows you to line up all broadcast waves.
I think it's in Preferences/audio off the top of my head
Ya I knew what you were getting at Mudgel. But it seemed the op and others didn't pick up on it so I tried to reiterate what you were saying.
I just couldn't remember if this works for drag drop. But I think it does. Also, the other program needs to be able to import broadcast waves. If I remember correctly ProTools charges like $500 for this feature.
This will probably be a triple post. Stupid @&$ forum software!
Thanks for keeping at this. I had not thought about this in the context of drag and drop. Unfortunately drag and drop does not appear to work with take lanes, unless someone can show me how to do this. I have always has hit-or-miss luck using drag and drop to copy files to a separate folder - sometimes it works great, sometime resulting in my dragging tracks all over the Sonar project. There is probably some logic to this that I am missing. For the record, this approach does work well for non-taked tracks. So this is a convenient way to export broadcast wave files if you don't have takes.
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neirbod
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/15 08:46:22
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/15 12:03:28
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I have tried my own idea (post #11) about using the comp feature (after muting clips in the track) then bouncing/mixdown to separate tracks and then exporting those tracks. When comping with the track's clips muted it pick ups only those desired clips in the composite track at their position in the track/project. It works, try it yourself. Perhaps a video would convince you?
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/15 14:38:22
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I don't think the issue is that it can't be done, but that it requires so much care and extra time bouncing things. It's time-consuming and error-prone. One mistaken selection or forgotten setting in the bounce options, and you're doing it all over again.
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neirbod
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Re: Feature request - export takes
2013/10/15 19:15:58
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Living Room Rocker
I have tried my own idea (post #11) about using the comp feature (after muting clips in the track) then bouncing/mixdown to separate tracks and then exporting those tracks. When comping with the track's clips muted it pick ups only those desired clips in the composite track at their position in the track/project. It works, try it yourself. Perhaps a video would convince you?
Kind regards,
Living Room Rocker
I don't need convincing. See my post #13 above where I quoted you making this suggestion before. Yes it works, and in fact this is exactly what I am doing now. But I agree with Brundlefly that it is time consuming and error-prone.
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