File Formats - wav, mp3 etc

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2011/04/17 09:15:08 (permalink)

File Formats - wav, mp3 etc

Hi Folks

I've been looking at a members site - subltearts - and downloads for the music include:

Ogg Vorbis - which I think is an "open source" format?

FLAC, AAC and ALAC are all new to me.

I've been educated on MP3's through the Reaper forum and I just wanted to continue with that.

Do chip in if you're about subtlearts.

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    Re:File Formats - wav, mp3 etc 2011/04/17 10:34:15 (permalink)
    The problems with MP3 are twofold. First, it is a lossy format, meaning that even though the music may sound fine you can never get back the original version from an MP3. Makes it impractical as an archival format. Second, it's patented and proprietary. That means if you want to write an application to encode MP3 files you have to pay the Fraunhofer Institute. A lot.

    Word is that Ogg Vorbis came into being as a result of Fraunhofer increasing their fees. It is indeed open source and free. Unfortunately, it, too is a lossy format. And for a long time portable music players did not support it, although that's changing.

    AAC is Apple's preferred format. Some say it sounds better than MP3 at a given file size. I don't know if that's true or not. It does support higher sample rates, but I don't think many vendors take advantage of that. Much of what you hear on the radio was probably distributed to the stations in AAC format, and pretty much all internet radio is AAC.

    FLAC is the one that seems to get people most excited. It's a lossless format, it's free, and I believe it's open source too. Its only barrier to wider acceptance is that FLAC files are rather large - smaller than WAVs, but much larger than MP3s. Most newer portable players support FLAC files, and given the huge storage capacities available today it makes sense if you're buying music online to go with FLAC if that option is available. FLAC is also handy for exchanging files when collaborating online. And SONAR can export directly to FLAC.

    The one that's missing from your list is Microsoft's WMA format. SONAR can do that one natively, too. If you rip a CD on a Windows machine, WMA is usually what you get. It's lossy, but comparable to MP3 in terms of file size and fidelity. And like MP3, it's possible using the highest quality settings to create a file that's virtually indistinguishable from the original.



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    Re:File Formats - wav, mp3 etc 2011/04/17 10:46:27 (permalink)
    @Dave

    I don't get the thing about Fraunhofer Institute. My DAW has an mp3 encoder, does my DAW software company pay the institute for being an accredited encoder of mp3?

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    Re:File Formats - wav, mp3 etc 2011/04/17 11:18:59 (permalink)
    I'm not Dave, but yes they do. A license fee, the cost is then passed on to the customer.

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    Re:File Formats - wav, mp3 etc 2011/04/17 14:59:32 (permalink)
    Hey edjay and the rest of the gang

    I suspect you were looking at the downloads on my Bandcamp pages - so in reality I didn't really have anything to do with providing those formats, they are all transcoded by Bandcamp from FLAC files which I uploaded. I use FLAC for such things natively because as Bitflipper said they are a)lossless, so uncompress to the full uncompromised WAV files they were built from (I believe they will null, in other words); and yes, they are smaller - about 1/2 the size of full WAV files. 

    ALAC seems to be Apple's proprietary implementation of the same thing - with, again, 40-60% filesizes as compared to uncompressed AIFF. Monkey Audio has another lossless format with, I believe, about the same ratio. I'm not aware of anyone having come up with a better ratio for lossless compression. 

    Ogg Vorbis are basically like open-source MP3's. I was very bullish on these for a while since I felt they tended to provide slightly better quality per filesize than MP3 and I like open-source things, but they have not been widely adopted and filesize for audio has become something of a moot point...

    AAC is another lossy format, again a proprietary Apple one. I tend to avoid those formats since I'm not an Apple user myself but I'm happy that Bandcamp provides them for any listeners I may have that are Mac users and may want them. 

    Personally when I have a need for mp3 files I use Sound Forge (which I also use for mastering and for producing FLAC and other formats when necessary), so I'm not an expert on SONAR's native encoder...

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    Re:File Formats - wav, mp3 etc 2011/04/17 17:41:52 (permalink)
    @bitflipper (got jumbled with my replies there..)

    Free Lossless Audio Code - I just had a bit of a read in the Wiki.

    I see what you're saying about it making a buzz - 50/60% compression and still able to reconstruct the original file. Very clever indeed.

    Does this then mean that if someone downloads your music, they can listen to it exactly as the original in FLAC format? That could fit very well; as you say, with the expansion of bandwidth and storage.

    Let me guess, that equation tells you how much juice the latest CPU's using at the same time as you're cooking two pies.   :)
    post edited by edjay - 2011/04/17 17:47:03
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    Re:File Formats - wav, mp3 etc 2011/04/17 17:51:14 (permalink)
    subtlearts

      ......uncompress to the full uncompromised WAV files they were built from....
    That is pretty amazing - That could very well see the end of the .wav file being sent over the net? There's very little stands still with technology.
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