57Gregy
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File Sharing Services
Suddenly I have 2 saxophonists willing to play for me. I need to post a project file for some collaborators. Usendit has apparently changed to Hightail, or it's a misdirect for phishing, and what's the other one? Dropbox?
Also, should I post a bundle or .cwp? I've read of problems with bundles, but haven't experienced any myself.
Recommendations, anyone?
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jamesg1213
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/23 14:59:08
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/09/23 16:03:26
Dropbox or Box.net, both work fine. In recent collabs, Bapu sends me a .cwp 'tracking shell' with all the info, markers etc, and a tracking WAV file to play to. Works great.
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/23 17:57:32
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☄ Helpfulby 57Gregy 2016/09/24 10:51:17
Greg,
You both open your own dropbox accounts. One of you "shares" a folder with the other's email account used in dropbox (who then accepts that share under their account).
At that point, you both can use the web to access the files in that folder. Whoever wants to can download and install the client and then your "account" is synced with a local "My Dropbox" folder that you can access in Windows (File) Explorer. There you can both drag and drop files as needed in the "shared folder".
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/24 00:59:00
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Wow, just look at all the helpfulness around here! Isn't anyone else besides me curious what Greg's up to that requires two saxophonists? 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/24 07:40:02
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craigb
Wow, just look at all the helpfulness around here! Isn't anyone else besides me curious what Greg's up to that requires two saxophonists?
I'm thinking a cover version of Van Der Graf Generator's 'Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers'. Either that or Darts' 'Boy From New York City'. Same thing really.
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bapu
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/24 10:12:32
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He can't afford a slap back reverb for the sax so he's just gonna record it twice and shift one track about 1ms.
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jamesg1213
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/24 10:17:27
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Gratuitous sax and violins.
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57Gregy
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/24 10:30:06
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craigb
Wow, just look at all the helpfulness around here! Isn't anyone else besides me curious what Greg's up to that requires two saxophonists?
It's a song.  It doesn't require 2, but now that there's competition, I can pick the best one. Really though, anything will be better than the MIDI/soft synth solo I currently have. It's soulless.
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/24 12:58:33
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jamesg1213
Gratuitous sax and violins.
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/24 19:14:28
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jamesg1213
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I'm thinking a cover version of Van Der Graf Generator's 'Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers'.
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To my knowledge, that's one guy playing two of them things at the same time!
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/24 20:17:12
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When I collaborate I never send a bundle file even if the folks have Sonar. I always get a rough mix made and send them a simple wave or even just email an MP3 which they can load into their DAW and record their parts.
That has always worked well. I think Janet and I swapped bundle files until we realized the MP3 was so much smaller and easier.
The only thing you have to remember is to export the entire track from start to finish. It's OK to trim the end, but NOT the beginning. Be sure the key and tempo are correct, and things are in tune..... then send the MP3. All the other party has to do is import it to their DAW, and record their part.
Once the other party records their parts, they too can send the rough drafts back in MP3 to see if they work ok. Once you decide a track is good to go, THEN you can send it as a WAVE through Drop Box.
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/24 20:25:28
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We started out on Drop Box, but have switched to Google Drive. Google gives you a lot more storage space for free, than DB. We send bundle files as a Project Tracker, that has the time line completely charted out with chord call outs and arrangement notes.
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/24 20:36:55
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Another alternative for those who have their own domains and websites (like me) is to create a directory and use FTP (like the free FileZilla).
That said, if the files fit, DropBox (mine had to be upgraded for work), Google Drive, OneDrive, etc. tend to be easier to use. I also agree with Herb; only send what you need to send.
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/25 03:54:45
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2016/09/25 11:25:03
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When I collaborate I never send a bundle file even if the folks have Sonar. I always get a rough mix made and send them a simple wave or even just email an MP3 which they can load into their DAW and record their parts.
That has always worked well. I think Janet and I swapped bundle files until we realized the MP3 was so much smaller and easier.
The only thing you have to remember is to export the entire track from start to finish. It's OK to trim the end, but NOT the beginning. Be sure the key and tempo are correct, and things are in tune..... then send the MP3. All the other party has to do is import it to their DAW, and record their part.
Once the other party records their parts, they too can send the rough drafts back in MP3 to see if they work ok. Once you decide a track is good to go, THEN you can send it as a WAVE through Drop Box.
Personally I would never use an MP3 to track to. There is a very slight difference in length to a .WAV. A .CWP (a project file, not a bundle) is very small, but can have all the markers and info you need. Pop a tracking WAV file of a mix into that, and it makes life very easy.
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/25 08:53:20
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Just an observation:
I have used MP3 and waves depending on what the other party needs or requests. I have never had any issues with timing or length using mp3 files. I do prefer them because I and send them as an email attachment and don't need a file server until the project wave files are needing to be sent.
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/25 09:12:20
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I like dropbox and box both, but for collabs I prefer box. Even the freebie version lets you set up folders and share them with collaborators so everybody uploads/downloads for themselves with trying to email stuff around - and you can have projects separated into folders, with different folks accessing each.
Just say no to bundle files. I use MP3 for guide tracks and get full WAV for real tracks.
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/25 10:34:05
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craigb
Wow, just look at all the helpfulness around here! Isn't anyone else besides me curious what Greg's up to that requires two saxophonists?
It's a song.
It doesn't require 2, but now that there's competition, I can pick the best one.
Really though, anything will be better than the MIDI/soft synth solo I currently have. It's soulless.
why not use both? use one as the lead and have the other put some harmony sax in. are they both the same type of sax? (i.e. alto, tenor, bari...)
Everything I know about sax I learned on the street. I used the baritone sax sample from Proteus VX, but the alto sax I tried didn't sound much different. Both persons asked for the project as they are educated musicians and presumably want the staff. A problem with that is I am not an educated musician and know very little about key signatures. Everything I do is in 'C'. Thanks for all the advice!
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/25 11:13:33
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☄ Helpfulby 57Gregy 2016/09/26 10:27:45
Greg, I regularly send massive .psd files and .zip files to 'myself' (from my home PC to my work PC and vice versa) to save carrying a memory stick around. I find the quickest and easiest method is to use the free version of We Transfer. The free service has a file transfer limit of 2GB against 20GB for a paid account, but 2GB should be more than enough for sending .wav files. Edit to add: Unlike some 'free' services, you can send multiple files up to 2GB in a single transfer using We Transfer - the recipient gets a 'zip file so they will need to unzip them at their end.
post edited by SteveStrummerUK - 2016/09/25 11:38:00
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/25 14:24:03
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2016/09/25 14:49:10
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Just an observation:
I have used MP3 and waves depending on what the other party needs or requests. I have never had any issues with timing or length using mp3 files. I do prefer them because I and send them as an email attachment and don't need a file server until the project wave files are needing to be sent.
Then you have never dropped an mp3 export and a wav export into a project and noticed that an mp3 has about 72 samples length in the beginning of the file. Try it with a simple four 1/4 note snare hits in measure 2. Export measures 1 through 2 in both mp3 and wav. Import those into a SONAR project and you tell me if they line up. Even if the mp3 is a CBR export it will still not line up. If the mp3 you are using is a non-CBR and you send a wav tracked to that it will not line up at the beginning (those pesky 72 samples) in the master project and then about a minute of so into the song you wav will really start drifting in time. If the mp3 you are using is a CBR your wav will pretty much not drift but the 72 samples lead in is still true. My son showed this to me and Danny Danzi and I proved this years ago and nothing has changed with mp3s. Experiment with mp3? Ya. Record final takes against them or export them to the master project, NEVER.
post edited by bapu - 2016/09/25 14:55:05
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SteveStrummerUK
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/25 14:34:48
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I believe Ed was the first one of us to discover this, and we've exchanged .wavs ever since for the reasons both he and James have outlined.
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/25 14:35:49
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SteveStrummerUK
I believe Ed was the first one of us to discover this, and we've exchanged .wavs ever since for the reasons both he and James have outlined.
Not discovered, was turned on to this by Jason. I was just the messenger.
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/25 14:52:09
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2016/09/25 15:16:41
But Bapu begat Jason, ergo: something or other....
I didn't get a harrumph from that man.
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Re: File Sharing Services
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/26 12:16:39
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SteveStrummerUK
I believe Ed was the first one of us to discover this, and we've exchanged .wavs ever since for the reasons both he and James have outlined.
Not discovered, was turned on to this by Jason. I was just the messenger.
Yeah I remembered this being shown to me a few years back I know that mp3's are just oness and zeros BUT .. whenever I have worked with them when editing they have "felt "rubbery" while editing and cutting and pasting but with wave files they feel solid - I noticed that even before I knew how it didn't line up just being ones and zeros compressed to lose harmonics human ears cant hear you would think they would line up ... but they really do to me even feel different when trying to edit -- With backing tracks I have purchased I usually convert to wave before i start chopping them - still have issues but easier to edit and move around when a wave - the rubbery feel is gone weird
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/26 12:18:56
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heh heh. Mocch said "rubbery feel".
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/26 14:36:44
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I'll check that out next time I'm in the DAW.
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/26 14:47:12
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/09/26 15:09:15
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Harumph!
Does the quality of the mp3 make any difference?
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57Gregy
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/30 10:33:44
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Ended up with Google Drive at the suggestion of one of the collaborators.
Super easy. Downloaded Drive for PC. Drag a file into the desktop icon, get the Share link.
I now have a real sax solo.
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Re: File Sharing Services
2016/09/30 11:30:47
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Yay. Gregy got laid!!!
Ummmph. He said sax. My bad.
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