Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs

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2007/03/22 16:25:53 (permalink)

Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs

I just installed the new version of z3ta+ and started playing with it. I loaded in my homemade .128 file and I'm finding problems.

Specifically, some of the programs max out the audio engine as soon as I load them. Also I think that some of them sound different (louder and more high-frequency content) from in the previous version. I need to record and reinstall the old version to verify that.

I'm finding the same problem in the DXi and VST versions.

Using Sonar PE 6.2.1 with Delta 66, 1GB RAM, up-to-date Win XP.

I wonder if I should send my .128 file to support.

Mitch I.
post edited by Mitch_I - 2007/03/22 16:27:12
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    René
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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/03/22 17:39:36 (permalink)
    Yes, please send those patches to support, or/and post a link, I'd like to check those out. Did you use 1.4 to create those patches?

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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/03/22 17:40:13 (permalink)
    the programs max out the audio engine as soon as I load them. Also I think that some of them sound different (louder and more high-frequency content)
    I can't say that this is it, but the first thing that came to mind is the Real-time and Off-line Quality settings under Options. You can check what's selected there now, and try some of the lower settings to see if it makes a difference. Beyond what it's intended to, of course.

    Edit: René with the quick draw again.
    post edited by b rock - 2007/03/22 17:41:38
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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/03/22 18:03:09 (permalink)
    René,

    I've uploaded the .128 file here. The last edits I did were in version 1.4. Some of the programs are just copies, but I think most have my tweaks. But now I'm finding the problem in some factory programs also. By the way, the programs at the end are my attempt at breath control patches, and they won't respond to keyboard playing.

    b rock,

    I looked at the Real-Time and Offline Quality options and found that nothing was checked. When I selected values (1.0), it restored the sound from 1.4. Looks like I have to fix each program this way. This also fixes the out-of-control programs -- the ones that max out the audio engine and make me rush over to the volume knob on the mixer.

    Mitch I.
    post edited by Mitch_I - 2007/03/22 18:11:28
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    René
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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/03/22 18:15:56 (permalink)
    Thanks Mitch. There's something in that file that makes z3ta+ think it's already 1.5, so it doesn't convert it. I resaved it in 1.4 as FXB, then loaded in 1.5, then saved the .128 bank and now it seems to have been properly updated. Please check it out:

    http://www.rgcblog.com/External/dec_12_2006_rgc.128
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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/03/22 18:31:07 (permalink)
    René,

    That file solves the out-of-control problem, but some of the programs (for example, 2, 3, and 9) make no sound. (This is also true for many others, for example, most of the first 10 in bank E.) They use CPU, but I don't hear anything.

    Also, I just noticed that for all programs the level indicator bars don't move.

    Mitch I.
    post edited by Mitch_I - 2007/03/22 18:34:35
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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/03/22 18:41:39 (permalink)
    I just noticed that the silent programs all have the Limiter turned on. When I turn it off, I can hear the patch.

    Mitch
    post edited by Mitch_I - 2007/03/22 18:42:15
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    René
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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/03/22 19:17:06 (permalink)
    Hold on, let's go one by one. Please use the microhost, and recheck the patches in bank E. Do they work for you?
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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/03/22 19:38:14 (permalink)
    Yes, everything works fine in the microhost. I should have checked that earlier.

    I'm going to uninstall and reinstall 1.5 and try the DXi and VST again.

    Mitch
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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/03/22 19:54:04 (permalink)
    René,

    I reinstalled and had a fresh start. Now the only problem is with my custom bank. And the version that you sent me back resolves that problem.

    I don't know what happened originally, but it seems fine now.

    Thanks for your help. Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to try.

    Other people: don't use the bank I posted. (I'll delete it soon.) But feel free to use the version in René's post.

    Mitch I.
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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/03/28 09:38:10 (permalink)
    René,

    With the 1.51 version, I'm still seeing the old-banks problem with some of my old .128 files. Specifically, the programs sound distorted until I select a value for Real-time Quality.

    The original .128 file was dated 2006 and was last edited in 1.4, but these files are dated 2003.

    Thanks.

    Mitch I.
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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/03/28 11:29:28 (permalink)
    Thanks Mitch. I can confirm that. Those are not old, but ooooooooold files (1.2). Please contact me privately and we'll follow-up on this.
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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/04/15 13:47:41 (permalink)
    I seem to have the same problem

    I have been updating the studio and eventually got round to the zeta 1.5 update. I read the information and dutifully removed the DLL files from the VST folder and installed 1.5 I loaded in my previously saved .128 files that I had spent hours compiling and hey presto. There are about 10 setting (so far) that have all the data there but no sound and some of the more arp presets like the FTGH bass which I adore sounds like it's on speed. When I play a number of other bass style arps they too have the same addiction. So I uninstalled 1.5 and went back to the 1.4 original version and the fault is the same. I am using Windows XP pro service pack 2 Athlon 3000+ and 1 gig of ram and Live 6 and even tried in FL studio. When I did a search I did find the DLL zeta files on an external hardrive would that have made any difference. Do I need to purge my complete system and start again. Another problem too. when I had the 1.5 version on on one sound there was a high pitched whoosh too as you changed the preset.

    I have to be honest I wish I had stayed with what I have got. Also I loaded zeta a few weeks back to my laptop no probs at all. Still works fine with 1.4 I'm assuming that putting 1.5 had done something or probably me not getting rid of the other DLL on the external hard drive.

    Any help as I love Zeta to bits

    Cheers Cosy Pete

    UPDATE

    Just to fill you in while I'm waiting

    I have removed every trace of z3ta+ and then installed the 1.5 with the factory presets. I tried the FGHT bass and it's still on speed.

    I uninstalled the 1.5 and loaded the 1.4 and same problem

    Any thought gratefully received

    Cheers Cosy Pete
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    RE: Problems with z3ta+ 1.5 and old programs 2007/04/15 15:27:52 (permalink)
    update

    I took everything off and loaded 1.5 on and used the presets that were there. I went through each one and got to alarma hold, C4 and there was a high pitched whoosh and non of the sounds would then play until you deleted it out of Live and reinstalled it.

    Not sure if that helps ??

    Cheers Cosy Pete
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