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2007/08/15 02:41:08 (permalink)

bass and drums

Hi all !
I read a post that was done here a while ago about getting the bass and drums to work nice together.
While I thought the post was great theres still a couple of things I wasn't sure about;hopefully someone can get us on the right track !
The thing I'm not sure about is what frequency range the bass takes up and what frequency range the drums take up.Firts of all,does it matter if both instruments share part of the same pie ?!.
As it is I'm using samples for drums,and usually using a VST bass.I know with samples I've probably less control on the overal sound.I often read advise on here assuming that each part of the drum kit is on differant tracks.well,in fact I'm just starting to get in to multiband compression (what a beauty) so I'm hoping I;ll be able to get around this eventually !
The poster of this article advised the bass sat somewhere between 100Hz and 200 Hz.Pretty much this is the space occupied by the bass,and should be left for the bass alone.Is this right ?.So is it nessary to cut all other instruments (including drums) around this point ?.
I'm stil learning production and engineering so be gentle.......!
Kev
Ps also the poster suggesting hi / low shelfing to get the bass in place.When removing the highs,where is a safe place to stop ?I mean if its cut off from 300Hz onwards won't the bass just sound dull ?.I know what youre going say,use my ear huh ?!.Still I'm just after an idea of how other people do it.
Also does the production of the bass change with respect to the genre ?.I mean a pop bass obviouly sounds differant to a Hip Hop bass.Is this because of EQ and compression,or is there more to it than that?
Cheers
Kev (no more long ps's)
post edited by kev11111111111111 - 2007/08/15 02:54:13
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    jamesg1213
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    RE: bass and drums 2007/08/15 12:11:09 (permalink)
    Hi Kev,

    Here's a nice little explaination of the frequencies of interest in the kick drum sound, courtesy of Ed McG;

    There are three frequency points of interest in a kick:
    - the fundamental, in the 40Hz to 80hz range, the boom
    - the body, in the 350Hz to 500Hz range, the skin sound
    - the tap, in the 2KHz to 4KHz range, the beater

    *Note: these are all approximate, adjust to suit the kit and your taste.

    You can carve away in between with cuts at, say at 200Hz, 700Hz and also HPF at 40Hz and LPF at 5K; then you don't have to boost the interest points as much.

    Anyway the 4K tap adds that little extra bit of definition for a crisp attack on the kick without having to boost the low end all out of shape.


    Can't be much more help than that at the moment, I'm just geting to grips with this stuff myself, however I've been reading about applying hi-pass filters to both bass & kick drum to seperate them out, and I'll be experimenting with that soon.

    Good fun all this ain't it? Hope 'Yep' stops by with his usual insight.
    post edited by jamesg1213 - 2007/08/15 12:19:25

     
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    RE: bass and drums 2007/08/15 12:26:39 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: kev11111111111111

    Hi all !
    I read a post that was done here a while ago about getting the bass and drums to work nice together...

    You might have better luck by actually replying to that thread so we can tell what you're talking about.

    There are lot of questions that seem specific to the original post.

    Cheers.
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    RE: bass and drums 2007/08/15 12:49:51 (permalink)
    hi,
    ok no probs
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    RE: bass and drums 2007/08/15 13:19:45 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: jamesg1213

    i]There are three frequency points of interest in a kick:
    - the fundamental, in the 40Hz to 80hz range, the boom
    - the body, in the 350Hz to 500Hz range, the skin sound
    - the tap, in the 2KHz to 4KHz range, the beater

    Good fun all this ain't it? Hope 'Yep' stops by with his usual insight.


    Hi James !
    Great fun !I've just had my computer repaired,so this is the first time I used it since about three months.Brilliant getting back into it.
    Thanks for the above tips,I'll being making a note of them for reference !
    Cheers,
    Kev
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    RE: bass and drums 2007/08/15 13:44:49 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: kev11111111111111
    Great fun !I've just had my computer repaired,so this is the first time I used it since about three months.Brilliant getting back into it.
    Thanks for the above tips,I'll being making a note of them for reference !
    Cheers,
    Kev


    Kev,

    Not I'm not suggesting you go out and buy more gear but I use an RTA for an easy way to see what frequency is occupied by one or more tracks. I just patch it into my main outs away we go.

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    kev11111111111111
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    RE: bass and drums 2007/08/15 14:45:37 (permalink)

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    ORIGINAL: kev11111111111111
    Great fun !I've just had my computer repaired,so this is the first time I used it since about three months.Brilliant getting back into it.
    Thanks for the above tips,I'll being making a note of them for reference !
    Cheers,
    Kev


    Kev,

    Not I'm not suggesting you go out and buy more gear but I use an RTA for an easy way to see what frequency is occupied by one or more tracks. I just patch it into my main outs away we go.


    Whats an RTA ?Is it like a frequency analyser ?!Never heard of it !
    Cheers,
    Kev
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