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2007/10/04 14:33:53 (permalink)

Exported song is too long...

When I exported my song on Home Studio the wave file had more than 2 minutes of silence added to the end of it...the song doesn't end after it's done. I think using "automation" caused this...the blue automation lines run far past where the tracks end. I tried to delete the portion of these lines after the tracks by selecting them and using "Cut" but it wouldn't delete them.
How can you make Home Studio know the song is over? I don't find anything in "help" that explains this.
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RE: Exported song is too long... 2007/10/04 14:50:20 (permalink)

This happened to me once and i found out there was a marker flag at the 'end' of the song. When I deleted the marker the problem went away. I don't know if that is the same thing happening with your song but I guess it's worth checking.

I am not an expert
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RE: Exported song is too long... 2007/10/04 18:50:23 (permalink)
It sounds like you are highlighting the track numbers to select the tracks you want to mix down/export. Try highlighting the individual clips instead. This should do the trick....

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Also, use the track manager to make sure there aren't any hidden tracks you may have forgotten about. If these tracks are not archived, or if they run past the end of your song, when you use the "select all" function, these tracks get selected also, even if they are muted/hidden.......You get the track manager by hitting the "M" key on your keyboard.....
post edited by GrottoRob - 2007/10/04 19:14:19
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RE: Exported song is too long... 2007/10/04 19:00:14 (permalink)
...and FWIW i always export a finished mix as 32 bit/48khz stereo wav and reimport to a new project to master, at which point you can trim the excess fat...or i sometimes use audacity, if i need to export as mp3, like to soundclick for example. i know some people use the master buss to master but i prefer the clarity of a new project, even if i then have to remix the original...

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RE: Exported song is too long... 2007/10/04 19:32:33 (permalink)
It's possible to do that, however if the project extends with audio tracks in the mix, then as a result of that you're unnecessarily increasing the size of the project. Sometimes the culprit is not that obvioius. Once I spent half an hour trying to figure out why the project was so long and there was one archived track (which was hidden) which was causing that.
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RE: Exported song is too long... 2007/10/04 19:35:16 (permalink)
i guess my workflow is such that it isn't an issue, but if you track, mix and master in the one screen then it'd be a problem...with hdd being so cheap these days, and file-trimming options so plentiful, it's onlyt a minor inconvenience, though?

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RE: Exported song is too long... 2007/10/09 06:39:10 (permalink)
I keep having this problem also. I have no hidden or archived files,no markers or flags out toward the end. As King Wille mentioned have dotted lines from some envolopes going out to the end. Could that be the culprit?
When I export the file I Edit - Select - None before I File - Export - Audio, I get dead space at the end of the song.

Exporting selected tracks works but, selecting tracks with alot of clips can be time consuming and exporting to a master to be trimmed seems like an extra step.
I have a couple of questions that might help me understand this issue.
Is there a way to select all the clips in a track without clicking on each one?
What does the dotted line at the end (and sometimes in the middle) of an envolope mean?

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post edited by mcjoe - 2007/10/09 06:41:23

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RE: Exported song is too long... 2007/10/09 07:58:58 (permalink)
The reason you're getting dotted lines is because you haven't editted that portion of the envelope, so Sonar writes it like that all the way to the end of the project, this means that your project extends to the end of the dotted lines. If you worked on MIDI you might have accidentally left one event out there. This is enough to extend the project up to that point. If you have MIDI tracks, select all the MIDI tracks and open the event view, take a look at the bottom, if you see events with start time going beyond the point you think the project should end, then you need to remove those.
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RE: Exported song is too long... 2007/10/09 08:04:49 (permalink)
What I always do is create Start Export and End Export markers in all my projects. Then when I'm ready to export I do Crtl-A (select all tracks), go to the marker view and click Start Export, then Shift-click End Export. Now if you Export Audio you just get the selected part of the timeline

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RE: Exported song is too long... 2007/10/09 08:22:16 (permalink)
It sounds like you are highlighting the track numbers to select the tracks you want to mix down/export. Try highlighting the individual clips instead. This should do the trick....


Maybe so, but that's not the best technique especially if you've done a lot of cutting and pasting of audio tracks, you may miss some clips. I usually select the tracks or press CTRL A and select all the tracks and then export. That's not the problem. If he's getting a lot of silence at the end of his piece, he has a track that has some sort of event out beyond the end of the music and he needs to remove it.
post edited by daveny5 - 2007/10/09 08:24:00

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RE: Exported song is too long... 2007/10/09 11:21:40 (permalink)
What I always do is create Start Export and End Export markers in all my projects

Yet anouther work around, but start and end export markers sound easier than exporting then trimming.
Dave has a good point on why I don't want to select a bunch of clips.

I could use the work around but I think if anyone wants to persue this thread I would like to solve this mystery.

I selected all midi tracks and opened the event view. I looked at the end and found no times that were past the end of the song time.

I should note that the scroll bar at the bottom of the track view is only about 1/2 the way across when it get to the end of the song. I can keep scrolling thru a lot of blank stuff.
If I hit hte "go to end" button next to the play button I go to the end of the last clip.

Is this just a software glitch?

Enjoy
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post edited by mcjoe - 2008/04/05 07:10:19

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RE: Exported song is too long... 2008/04/05 07:15:00 (permalink)
When I upgraded to HS 6 xl the using markers to define the length of the audio export stopped working.

If I had at any time had an audio track that was very long. It somehow leaves some sort of event that will not allow me to export the correct length of the song. I get alot of dead space at the end of the exported file. I checked for archived tracks and I have checked for envelope nodes etc. nothing seems to be out there.



Any other things I can do to fix this issue?
post edited by mcjoe - 2008/04/05 07:25:15

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RE: Exported song is too long... 2008/04/05 08:39:01 (permalink)
If it helps any, this happens to me all the time and yes, it's aggravating! The only way I've found to trim off that silence is to do it after I've converted the tracks to audio. I'll be watching this thread to see if there's another way. Glad you brought this up!
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RE: Exported song is too long... 2008/04/05 09:19:06 (permalink)
View-Navigator will show you if there are any events out past the end of your song.

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RE: Exported song is too long... 2008/04/05 14:32:14 (permalink)
Clipping the mixed export file will have to do for now.
For anyone else who is try to fix this issue, when I View-Navigator, no events are shown past where the song ends but I am able to scroll much further into empty space. Also when I play the file on a CD player there is a long silance after the song.

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RE: Exported song is too long... 2012/07/14 16:50:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Ricker 2017/12/11 01:58:35
I was digging thru the boards because I was having this problem today...and what I found was that there was an added node on one of the dotted lines of an envelope. It was far off to the right and small so i did not see it at first. Hit the 'go to end' button and you should see it. The node doesn't 'count' as an event but it still will keep the track playing until it reaches that point. No help to the OP years later, but hope this helps someone in the future.

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Re: Exported song is too long... 2013/11/25 11:38:34 (permalink)
This might be worth suggesting as a cure to this problem if anyone is scratching their head having tried previous suggestions on how to solve the mystery of the unacceptably long export:
 
I just had a totally dumb moment... after 20 minutes of frustration and nearly throwing the computer out of the window because export was taking that long, i suddenly realised i was exporting to a usb flash drive plugged into my computer, instead of to my internal SSD, or external 7200rpm HD as i normally do. Changing the files destination to my external HD instead of the USB stick was the cure. What was taking 20 mins to get to only about 15% completion happened within the thoroughly more acceptable 20 seconds!
 
Hope this helps anyone who may have made the same mistake.
 
 
 

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Re: Exported song is too long... 2017/12/11 02:01:48 (permalink)
This is years later, but....  Having the same problem until I read cwestmont's post
 
I too had a coup;e of nodes out at the 6 minute mark that was causing the extra 2 minutes of empty space on mixdown.   Deleted them, and empty space was gone.   Thanks so much for ending one of those wonder periods a mad frustration
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Re: Exported song is too long... 2017/12/16 00:49:25 (permalink)
Had this happen yesterday, turns out there was a tiny tiny sliver of a clip, barely visible, probably left behind from some editing that wound up far out from the end of the song somehow, so expanded it and deleted it and problem fixed.  treesha
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Re: Exported song is too long... 2017/12/16 02:01:02 (permalink)
Wow I love these vintage threads. Wonder what happened to  some of those folks, 

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