The Sonar Licence

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2007/11/22 15:21:32 (permalink)

The Sonar Licence

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i'm sure this has been discussed before but here we go again. i'm sitting with Sonar 6 SE and Sonar 7 SE after having finally upgraded to Sonar 7 PE. I think I could sell both as non-upgradeable DAW's for at least $50 US each. Why not?

I know you tick the boxes when you install but the only relevant is that you can't sell on the product. I wont be using either 6 or 7 SE again so no danger of using them on more than 1 machine but I bet we all use our current one on our desktop & laptop.

So I think I'll sell them on as strictly non-upgradeable. Can't see anything in UK law that would stop me.

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    The Maillard Reaction
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    RE: The Sonar Licence 2007/11/22 15:43:13 (permalink)
    The best way to answer this is to reinstall SONAR... any version will do.

    This time around you can read the text before you tick the boxes.

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    RE: The Sonar Licence 2007/11/22 15:44:12 (permalink)
    Nope,

    They are part of your current purchase. You received a discounted price when upgrading from one to the other. In that sense, they are all tied together.

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    RE: The Sonar Licence 2007/11/22 15:47:59 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: CeeDee
    So I think I'll sell them on as strictly non-upgradeable. Can't see anything in UK law that would stop me.

    ... you mean, nothing except the fact that the license specifically forbids what you are proposing to do, and that if/when you 'ticked the boxes' on install of the other two versions (assuming you installed them) you agreed specifically and completely to the terms of that license.

    Sounds like you're going to do it anyway, not sure why you posted here first hoping we would tell you something you probably know isn't true to make you feel better about it.

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    RE: The Sonar Licence 2007/11/22 15:48:07 (permalink)
    Accepting that you cannot sell on the product and remembering you are buying a license to use the software on that agreed basis your comments below are at best puzzling

    I know you tick the boxes when you install but the only relevant is that you can't sell on the product.

    So I think I'll sell them on as strictly non-upgradeable. Can't see anything in UK law that would stop me.
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    RE: The Sonar Licence 2007/11/22 16:17:58 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: subtlearts
    ...and that if/when you 'ticked the boxes' on install of the other two versions (assuming you installed them) you agreed specifically and completely to the terms of that license.


    It's too bad that if you don't agree and you decide not to tick the box you're screwed coz you can't return the opened package to the store. That's what I hate about EULAs that are buried in the installer. I think it's a sleazy way to present a license agreement (and sadly, it's becoming the standard for any kind of software). I believe that any EULAs that are buried in the software itself, forcing the customer to open the box, should be deemed null and void in any court-case. It's only a matter of time before someone sets a precedant in court and forces all software vendors to print the agreement on the box - no EULA on the box, no legal recourse if the customer posts the app on the internet. EULAS buried in software is just one of several things I hate about the software scene.

    Or does Cakewalk issue full refunds to anyone who does not agree with the EULA?

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    RE: The Sonar Licence 2007/11/22 17:10:25 (permalink)
    Actually I think Ceedee is right in the sense that contracts (including sales contracts/EULAs) still need to abide by the law of the country they're sold in. If, according to UK Law (of which I know nothing), it is illegal to prevent someone from reselling a product even if they agreed to it, then that bit of the contract is simply invalid and they can do what they want and go on their merry way. In some countries actually the whole contract becomes invalid if a single clause doesn't abide by the local law. In Germany at least they need to include a "Salvatorian clause" to prevent invalidation of the whole contract by one illegal clause.

    Except that Sonar probably did their research and I would expect their EULAs to abide by local law.
    post edited by daishan1981 - 2007/11/22 17:22:50
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    RE: The Sonar Licence 2007/11/22 17:11:33 (permalink)
    Or does Cakewalk issue full refunds to anyone who does not agree with the EULA?


    They should.
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    RE: The Sonar Licence 2007/11/22 17:19:27 (permalink)
    Acccording to KVR

    http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91587

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    RE: The Sonar Licence 2007/11/22 18:23:29 (permalink)
    Just erase your present installation which breaks the contract for that installation and just say no to the agreement on the next installation, resell and you are ok!

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    RE: The Sonar Licence 2007/11/22 18:35:01 (permalink)

    Just erase your present installation which breaks the contract for that installation and just say no to the agreement on the next installation, resell and you are ok!


    The license strictly forbids this. I'm not expressing an opinion or anything, its just the facts. Like it or not.

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