tammuz7000
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Which firewire sound card to buy?
Which sound card should i buy out of these. I want a clean preamp sound and using for mostly acoustic guitar, electric guitar from an amp or a pod, Bass and vocals....
1) presonus FP10
2) Presounus project studio
3) focusrite safire LE
4) focusrite saffire pro
-Tom
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Jim Roseberry
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/25 14:04:36
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Do you plan to monitor thru soft EFX in realtime? If yes, none of the above.  If no, then any of the above should be fine.
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/25 18:59:04
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ORIGINAL: Jim Roseberry
Do you plan to monitor thru soft EFX in realtime?
If yes, none of the above.
If no, then any of the above should be fine.
With my Motu 828 MkII hooked up to a PC using a PCI Firewire chipset, I was able to get 2.9 ms latency, comfortably. Monitored thru software FX no problem at all... With my Dell laptop (Ricoh Firewire chipset...) I can get 5.9 ms latency before I have any problems... Even so, I still just track using MOTU Cuemix... zero latency... Dave
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/25 19:03:24
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With my Motu 828 MkII hooked up to a PC using a PCI Firewire chipset, I was able to get 2.9 ms latency, comfortably. Monitored thru software FX no problem at all... With my Dell laptop (Ricoh Firewire chipset...) I can get 5.9 ms latency before I have any problems... Keep in mind that actual round-trip latency is over double the above. ie: With the 828 set at 64-sample buffer size/44.1k, your round-trip latency is actually 5.5ms (not the reported 1.5ms)
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tammuz7000
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/25 20:48:29
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What's my other choices if i want to use soft efx?
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Jim Roseberry
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/25 21:03:45
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ORIGINAL: tammuz7000
What's my other choices if i want to use soft efx?
If you want the lowest round-trip lateny with with a Firewire audio interface, stick with Edirol, MOTU, or RME. All other units have significantly higher round-trip latency...
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/25 21:07:28
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ORIGINAL: Jim Roseberry
With my Motu 828 MkII hooked up to a PC using a PCI Firewire chipset, I was able to get 2.9 ms latency, comfortably. Monitored thru software FX no problem at all... With my Dell laptop (Ricoh Firewire chipset...) I can get 5.9 ms latency before I have any problems...
Keep in mind that actual round-trip latency is over double the above.
ie: With the 828 set at 64-sample buffer size/44.1k, your round-trip latency is actually 5.5ms (not the reported 1.5ms)
Perhaps... All I know is the bottom line is I hit a key on my keyboard, or the guitar player plays thru an amp sim, and they don't notice any delay... That's good enough for me... As far as monitoring thru FX (i.e. like reverb), you could listen to the dry tracking source thru zero latency (Cuemix, for my MOTU), and then maybe set the reverb plugin to eliminate the dry audio and only play the wet (or send to an aux send and track it that way)... I should try that sometime... just thought of it as I was typing... ;) PS. I highly recommend my Motu 828 MkII as a firewire (or now USB 2.0) interface... It's expandable so that with other preamps you can track up to 20 sources at once... In my case, I have 2 Behringer ADA8000's, and one Aphex 207d on it's way... to give me my 20 preamp inputs... Dave
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/25 21:11:35
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Do you plan to monitor thru soft EFX in realtime?
If yes, none of the above.
If no, then any of the above should be fine.
Hey Jim... are there ANY audio interfaces that will let you monitor with FX in real time? i.e. zero latency? Even with my PCI M-Audio Audiophile 2496 I could only get 2.9 ms at best... WDM... Just curious Dave
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/25 21:31:02
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Perhaps... All I know is the bottom line is I hit a key on my keyboard, or the guitar player plays thru an amp sim, and they don't notice any delay... That's good enough for me... Hi Dave, FWIW, I really like the MOTU Firewire audio interfaces. They currently have the lowest round-trip latency of all FW interfaces... (slightly lower than RME - which are about 6ms totaly round-trip latency at 64-sample buffer/44.1k) I was just pointing out that realworld round-trip latency is higher than the reported (single direction) ASIO/WDM "Effective Latency."
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/25 23:02:12
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ORIGINAL: RRabbi
ORIGINAL: Jim Roseberry
Do you plan to monitor thru soft EFX in realtime?
If yes, none of the above.
If no, then any of the above should be fine.
Hey Jim... are there ANY audio interfaces that will let you monitor with FX in real time? i.e. zero latency? Even with my PCI M-Audio Audiophile 2496 I could only get 2.9 ms at best... WDM...
Just curious
Dave
--- Not jim here--- I've used the Yamaha DS2416...(DSPFactory) just for that reason... I can use gates or compression on the way in as well as monitor effects in real time. They're very cheap to buy now days on E-bay. I still have 2 of them on PCI but mostly use FA-66 on firewire. 2.9 ms is the best that the yamahas can get, but it's processing is done before conversion.
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/26 00:01:02
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2.9 ms is the best that the yamahas can get, but it's processing is done before conversion. I don't mean to come off sounding nit-picky... But the DSPF's processing is post A/D. (The processing is all digital - just like their digital consoles) For the processing to be pre A/D, it would have to be analog The DSPF was really ahead of its time... I had two of them several years back.
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/26 00:06:26
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Hey Jim... are there ANY audio interfaces that will let you monitor with FX in real time? i.e. zero latency? Even with my PCI M-Audio Audiophile 2496 I could only get 2.9 ms at best... WDM... The short answer is no... Even digital consoles or outboard hardware have some (relatively small) amount of latency. 5.5ms total round-trip latency is actually very useable...
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/26 21:23:09
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ORIGINAL: Jim Roseberry
2.9 ms is the best that the yamahas can get, but it's processing is done before conversion.
I don't mean to come off sounding nit-picky...
But the DSPF's processing is post A/D. (The processing is all digital - just like their digital consoles)
For the processing to be pre A/D, it would have to be analog
The DSPF was really ahead of its time...
I had two of them several years back.
Not nit picky at all...the truth almost never hurts..  True about the processing being post A to D..I 'm not sure how to describe that the channel effects are pre ....err...( Data streamed ?) to the PCI buss and effectively you get gates and or compression and EQ's before Sonar see's it with out going through outboard gear or multiple conversions. P.S. Jim while I'm following up. Do you know of anything benificial as far as over clocking a CPU or FSB or Memory in DAW specific apps ? I'm experimenting with it right now and don't see any benefit besides program and sample load times. Are there any other pluses worth the risk ? edited side note to the side note. I'm see a pretty significant lowering of CPU temp too... I really don't understand that one.
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RE: Which firewire sound card to buy?
2007/11/26 21:48:57
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P.S. Jim while I'm following up. Do you know of anything benificial as far as over clocking a CPU or FSB or Memory in DAW specific apps ? I'm experimenting with it right now and don't see any benefit besides program and sample load times. Are there any other pluses worth the risk ?
edited side note to the side note. I'm see a pretty significant lowering of CPU temp too... I really don't understand that one. If you want to OC the Q6600, I'd recommend a different mobo. Intel boards are great... but they're not the most overclock friendly. If you overclock, you need a mobo with the proper dividers... so you're not overclocking RAM or PCI/e busses. If you want a stable DAW, I'd avoid overclocking the RAM and video card. BTW, The Q6600 isn't exactly slow at standard speed... But it's faster at 3GHz
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