Reason 4.0 as vsti in Sonar, anybody?

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2008/03/03 16:31:36 (permalink)

Reason 4.0 as vsti in Sonar, anybody?

Is anyone using Reason as a vsti [sorry REWIRE] within Sonar? If so, how stable is it? And is the sound bank library for Reason extensive; I'm looking for nice pianos and harsps and guitars?

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    RE: Reason 4.0 as vsti in Sonar, anybody? 2008/03/03 16:32:57 (permalink)
    reason isn't a vsti, it uses rewire


    it's been very stable for me, but i'm a lightweight user of reason. there are more libs (RFL file) for reason than almost any other sound modules, so you can certain find what you want. i don't use the defaults, but i think they sounded pretty good. i have the piano collection RFL from propellerheads and it's good
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    RE: Reason 4.0 as vsti in Sonar, anybody? 2008/03/03 16:36:16 (permalink)
    ok, then anyone using Reason as a REWIRE within Sonar? Does Reson require a seperate hard disk to stream samples, like Kontakt does? I'm thinking of going with Reason rather than Kontakt because from what I hear Kontakt is pretty CPU intensive vsti.
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    RE: Reason 4.0 as vsti in Sonar, anybody? 2008/03/03 17:30:13 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: sourberry

    ok, then anyone using Reason as a REWIRE within Sonar? Does Reson require a seperate hard disk to stream samples, like Kontakt does? I'm thinking of going with Reason rather than Kontakt because from what I hear Kontakt is pretty CPU intensive vsti.



    i don't know where you heard that. neither is true. up until January i was still using a P4 1.9ghz CPU (about 5 years old) and i had no problem with either one. but i only use one effect at a time and then freeze it when i'm done. this is not because of CPU or disk constraints but because Sonar will flake and crash.

    of course, you should always have 2 hard drives in your PC, with the system (XP) temp files on the C: drive and the sonar temp files allocated to the D: drive

    but if you're like some people, those who never freeze anything and have 20 plugins running all at the same time, yeah either reason or kontakt could put you over the top and be the straw to breaks sonar's back.
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    RE: Reason 4.0 as vsti in Sonar, anybody? 2008/03/03 17:33:51 (permalink)
    There is almost nothing similar between Reason and Kontakt. It's not even like comparing apples to oranges. I'd suggest reading up a lot more on the two at their websites to see what might work best for you, and really try them out if you can. You can download the Reason demo, but I don't think Kontakt has a demo.... so read up on NI's website and watch their videos of it.

    As has been stated, Reason is not a VSTi, but rather a completely stand-alone modular music creation environment, with tons of built-in synths, fx, loop players, samplers, its own sequencer, and so forth. You can consider it as an external crazy-huge-modular rack of synths or a very powerful workstation that syncs with Sonar, or you can work 100% within it, and forget about Sonar for a while. It is NOT a DAW, nor is it a HOST, so it doesn't compete with Sonar in that way, but it far more than any other plugin out there in many ways. Does it sound good? Yes, if you like that sort of thing. But I also own a lot of other plugins that sound as good or better than any individual element inside Reason. However, it is fun to use and it is very stable so you can spend a lot of time in there. I happen to like it a lot. Again, you need to test it. It works fine "rewired" to Sonar, although I prefer to use it standalone.

    Kontakt, on the other hand, is a top-notch, super-powerful sampler plugin. It is quite good for what it does, and it does everything you would pretty much ever want a sampler plugin to do, and then some. Because it's so powerful, you CAN do some very synth-like things with it, and it does some really neat things that I never expected, but it is, after all, a sampler. 10 years ago, no one ever dreamed a sampler could do the things that it actually does now, but again, it is what it is. I also use it, and it is indispensable in my projects. It also comes with a HUGE library out of the box, and it is quite usable. However... again, it is a sampler.

    Since I have so many synths, I could easily live without Reason. However, I think it's a great environment and it can do some very amazing things. If it fits your workflow well, you will love it. Bottom line: not many of my projects use it, but I do really think it's great.

    As for Kontakt, it is so integrated into my workflow, that it would be very difficult to get rid of it now, and believe me, I have wanted to in times past. I have a love-hate relationship with Native Instruments, they have caused me a lot of grief. But at this point literally every project I do has at least one instance of Kontakt in it, so it would be very difficult for me to get rid of it. And at least right now, it is behaving pretty well, so I HAVE to use it, and slowly the pain of dealing with NI recedes in my mind. It always takes a while for things to work when new versions come out... but now Cubase, Sonar, Kontakt, etc., have settled into a nice truce on my DAW. But no doubt NI will cause me more stress in the future when the upgrade cycle begins again.

    Your mileage will vary depending on your workflow and needs. Since there's so little overlap between them, you may want to get both. If you can only afford one right now, and you aren't attracted to the excellent synths inside Reason, and you already DON'T have a sampler, Kontakt might be a good start for you... Good luck!
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    RE: Reason 4.0 as vsti in Sonar, anybody? 2008/03/03 17:39:01 (permalink)
    another thought: either reason or kontakt will give you the ability to play whatever samples you want. the real question in choosing between the 2 is: what do you want more a sequencer or a sampler? there's plenty of things reason can do that kontakt can't, and vice versa.

    if all you want to do is play samples and never edit them, then reason would be easier, and if you do loop music, reason is pretty much a must have. but if you plan on editing samples or making your own sample sets, then kontakt is the way to go.
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    RE: Reason 4.0 as vsti in Sonar, anybody? 2008/03/03 17:50:08 (permalink)
    Yeah, good points. I'd just add that Reason is not a traditional sampler, although it has traditional samplers in it. It's hard to describe... you really need to try the whole thing out. The workflow is also COMPLETELY different due to rewiring versus a VSTi plugin. Reason is more like you're hooking up to an entire external mini-studio or insane music workstation (with samplers built-in), and it does that concept well, but that workflow is totally different than inserting a VSTi. Good? Bad? Up to you. For me, I haven't been using Reason much, but at the same time, I wish I was. Come to think of it, I think I'd use it more if if it were, in fact, a VSTi.


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    RE: Reason 4.0 as vsti in Sonar, anybody? 2008/03/03 18:59:30 (permalink)
    good points guys. Thanks for the in depth replies. Seems to me from you guys are saying Reason is a pretty stable enviornment. Something to think about because I too am having trouble with vsti synths from Sonivox and Motu.
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    RE: Reason 4.0 as vsti in Sonar, anybody? 2008/03/03 19:09:14 (permalink)
    For what it is worth Reason rewires to Sonar very easily. Working flawlessly for me.

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    RE: Reason 4.0 as vsti in Sonar, anybody? 2012/03/12 01:59:30 (permalink)
      I too am having issues w/ a Sonivox vsti (EightyEight)synth. The stand-alone works well, but working within Sonar X1 seems to be a lost cause. What was your issue w/ the Sonivox plugin and were you able to resolve it?
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