mauryw
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Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
I am running SONAR PE 8.02. I had spent many hours editing the vocal line and guitar lines to get the project error free. I had frozen all tracks to maximize CPU a problem despite my 2.7 GB RAM and a Quad core. I have a constant crash with v-vocal on a guitar note, crash when importing a template track etc.
Now I unfreeze my drum track, Toontrack EZ drummer to get the cymbal louder and write the retar at the end. SONAR immediately crashes and gives me a eror message of having a sharing violaiton with something.tmp.
Upon restart the cwp file for the project is gone, can not be found, disintegrated into digital limbo. All the wave files are in the aduio folder, but the cwp with all the fades, edits, effects is gone!
Damn me for not making a backup, but damn 8,o2 for not being more stable. Is there anyway to recover the cwp project, the last saved version. I saved just before the drum un-freeze. Can it be covered using some kind of disk recovery utility?
HELP
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 11:45:58
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Working on it for 24 hrs and you didn't save it once?
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mauryw
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 11:50:26
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I saved it routinely. Always the same name. This never happened before, after the sharing violation, the file disappeard!
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 12:10:53
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Auto-save with revisions is your friend.
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 12:15:20
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I saved it routinely. Always the same name. Sorry to hear of your loss. Having been bitten in the past I always save to different names as the mix progresses so I can roll back to known points. Autosave is also a good option; I do both.
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 12:17:23
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This may be a shot in the dark but.... I've recovered other types of files for clients using a similar technique.
Search your drives for The_name _of_your_file make sure that you search everywhere. Your normal save directory and also your root directory with search hidden and system files enabled. You are looking for any files with The_name_of_your_file and a different file type to .cwp, most probably .tmp but could be anything. If you find anything any that name rename it to The_name _of_your_file.cwp and then try to open it.
As I said it's a shot in the dark but it could just be the file has lost it's association with SOnar rather than you've lost the file. Hope it works out for you.
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 12:44:53
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ORIGINAL: mauryw
I saved it routinely. Always the same name. This never happened before, after the sharing violation, the file disappeard!
You really need to think about doing incremental saves using a sequential naming structure whenever you are working on a project and making changes/edits that you do not want to lose such as, songname1, songname1a, songname1b, songname2, songname3, songname3a, etc. If I do a major change (changing song structure, recording/deleting a track etc) I do a sequential number change after the song title (1-100 if need be), if I have a minor change (add a fade to a track, track level change, etc) I add letters sequentially (2a,2b,2c,2d, etc.) or until I've made enough changes to warrant a number change. That way one corrupt project file will only lose you the very last save (change) that you made and should only be a very minor inconvenience. Plus you always have the luxury of going back to an earlier point in the creative process if you want to take the project in a another artistic direction. Just some food for thought going forward.
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 13:09:14
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ORIGINAL: Middleman
Auto-save with revisions is your friend.
Wise words.
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 13:23:35
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While true, and at some point you want a redundant copy somewhere else, his point is ridiculously valid. We're talking about a project file that DISAPPEARED! (this has happened ot me too btw).
I'm tellin' ya, v8 is buggy and unstable. I don't care how much extra juice they squeezed out of the engine, it's not worth it if the frickin' PLAY button doesn't work AND files go missing.
My only advice to the O/P is to keep a small partition for saving copies of your project files and double save to there every major junction (I do it at the end of my sessions).
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 13:30:54
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ORIGINAL: Billy Buck
ORIGINAL: mauryw
I saved it routinely. Always the same name. This never happened before, after the sharing violation, the file disappeard!
You really need to think about doing incremental saves using a sequential naming structure whenever you are working on a project and making changes/edits that you do not want to lose such as, songname1, songname1a, songname1b, songname2, songname3, songname3a, etc. If I do a major change (changing song structure, recording/deleting a track etc) I do a sequential number change after the song title (1-100 if need be), if I have a minor change (add a fade to a track, track level change, etc) I add letters sequentially (2a,2b,2c,2d, etc.) or until I've made enough changes to warrant a number change. That way one corrupt project file will only lose you the very last save (change) that you made and should only be a very minor inconvenience. Plus you always have the luxury of going back to an earlier point in the creative process if you want to take the project in a another artistic direction.
Just some food for thought going forward.
Excellent advice. The method I've come to is the save as' is with the incremental date of the session saved to the the project folder along with the wave data on my back up drive. Main difference being a bit more redundancy, and the extra cwp's stay with the backup, the Cake main directory a little sparser.
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AndyW
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 13:35:39
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ORIGINAL: ...wicked
While true, and at some point you want a redundant copy somewhere else, his point is ridiculously valid. We're talking about a project file that DISAPPEARED! (this has happened ot me too btw).
I can honestly say that I've never had a cwp disappear...but I do believe it happens...and have had other problems from time-to-time with SONAR. I also know that computers in general and file systems specifically are not perfectly robust and reliable. I believe in the IT maxim that "data that does not exist in three separate locations doesn't really exist".
I'm tellin' ya, v8 is buggy and unstable. I don't care how much extra juice they squeezed out of the engine, it's not worth it if the frickin' PLAY button doesn't work AND files go missing.
I agree and I believe that a "buggy" experience is true for some but all I can say is that it seems to work for most and I am not sure what the common factors for the ones who have issues are. I wish I could help.
My only advice to the O/P is to keep a small partition for saving copies of your project files and double save to there every major junction (I do it at the end of my sessions).
Good advice. I use the versioning and autosave tools and also regularly save files with incremental version numbers. My audio projects are backed up every night to an external drive and to another hard drive inside the machine. I do this for all my data because every piece of software, buggy or not, has to use the Windows file system and while NTFS is good..it ain't perfect! 
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mauryw
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 15:26:02
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I used Recova to find the cwp file. It said it had been overwritten by MFC61.tmp. I was able to recover the "deleted" lost file and renamed the tmp to a cwp. All appears to be back. Thanks for all your input.
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 15:28:52
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Hey, that's great -- a good lesson was learned and you didn't lose your work.
Please use revisions in the future, and backup to a different spindle after a good day's work.
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 15:42:01
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ORIGINAL: mauryw
I used Recova to find the cwp file. It said it had been overwritten by MFC61.tmp.
Holy crap!! It was overwritten?!?! Why on Earth? Glad you got it back!
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...wicked
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 16:56:24
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Wow, that's amazing you got it back. Congrats!
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 17:22:18
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I have to strongly disagree with you. Sonar 8 is totally rockin' solid for me - give or take a few buggies as all software has. I've done about 5 tracks in the last week - using TONS of plugins, TONS of FX, lots of editing, big samplers like Kontakt3 and more -- and, sure there are a few "gotchyas", but no crashes, and I've got a lot of work done without too many worries. In the DAW world, it all depends on the combination of hardware and software, and the various configurations one can set. It's a tricky area. But most problems tend to be either incompatibilities with plugins or hardware. I know it stinks when someone loses their work -- it's easy to just blame the host ("Sonar" in this case), and sometimes it's true. But not always. ORIGINAL: ...wicked
While true, and at some point you want a redundant copy somewhere else, his point is ridiculously valid. We're talking about a project file that DISAPPEARED! (this has happened ot me too btw).
I'm tellin' ya, v8 is buggy and unstable. I don't care how much extra juice they squeezed out of the engine, it's not worth it if the frickin' PLAY button doesn't work AND files go missing.
My only advice to the O/P is to keep a small partition for saving copies of your project files and double save to there every major junction (I do it at the end of my sessions).
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/27 17:25:15
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Awesome, Larry....glad you got it back. We all know how you were feeling(at least I did...flashing back to some previous lost important computer files in my own experience...)
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RE: Crashed and Lost 24 hrs of editing!
2008/12/28 15:54:38
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For my peace of mind I tend to copy all my work onto a little USB flash drive at the end of each work day- CWP files, audio files and all. Makes for a good redundant copy on solid-state media. Since I tend to page back and forth between different mix ideas when it comes to the mixing stage, I'm not sure if it would be a great idea to have a folder full of nondescript session titles like "songname42a" and "songname42b", as the probability of me having to go in and search for an older version is highly likely. Is that just the nature of autosave with revisions?
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