Good Golly Wonga!

Sorry to hear that you've gone over to the dark side.

I've heard tell that you can run SONAR successfully on a Mac under Boot Camp...so you should be able to have your Cake(walk) and lunch with Billy's evil twin (Steve Jobs) too.

Hi Matt,

Logic 8 has some real genius bits...
But if you read the Apple support forums, you'll see plenty of folks having dropouts and poor CPU loading across multi-core processors with OSX 1.5.2 (Leopard) and Logic 8.01
IOW, You've got the same concerns/issues... even when you're using a computer/OS/Application all created/sold by the same company.
Use the tool you like the best...

Lots of these threads 'round here recently.

I'll just give my standard reply, then:
Got any Core Audio Overloads yet?

- zevo

They will sound different, and much discussion will ensue, at the end of which it will be established that the difference is pan laws.

hey -

I know a lot of music professionals who have made that choice and are pulling their hair out with tech support. It's ok if you like to spend you time on tech as opposed to making music. I jumped from Logic/Pro-Tools TDM to Sonar and have never been happier - #1 Best Feature of Sonar... This forum. I don't see anything like this for Logic.

That said - we get posts here from people switching to Logic but we don't seem to actually get any reports back after they're using it.

Logic has stability issues. I got tired of doing beta testing for Apple. Love my Macs but making music in Logic drove me nuts. To each his own.

So that there's no sour grapes, I own four Macs at home but make music on the PC with Sonar. It seems to me Apple is striking at the heart of what attracts many to making music on the PC, a simple, low cost solution. Logic 8 studio is an incredible value at $500. Add a cheap I/O and people are working.

Just remember the grass is always greener over the septic tank ;-)

most of the new things that logic can do, Sonar has been doing for years and the logic interface looks like garage band. really pro, yeah!

I like Logic 8 a lot but its certainly got its faults -- mostly to do with dropouts. Some folks are having timing issues.

That said I do like it a lot. It looks nice, flows, nice and has a lot of features. I have to laugh when people write it off because it looks like garage band.

Saying Logic isn't pro is as dumb as saying sonar isn't pro.

I'm with jim on this one. Use what you like. There are no magic bullets on the Mac or the PC. I suspect you would be hard pressed to find many things you couldn't do with comparative ease in Logic or Sonar.

I think we are really comparing apples and apples here -- that would be apples the fruit not the company :)

In all fairness Logic 8 is a significant improvement over it's predecessor. There is something to say about it's amazing flexibility and it's tight integration with the OS. During the week of WMC I saw it demonstrated by music pros and attended several clinics learning it's many features. Mainstage is another very cool idea for performing musicians.

No denying that Sonar 5 is great for audio work/tracking, however i work with a great deal of midi and i find editing within Sonar is really clumsy and detrimental to my workflow.

I take it you have not experienced Sonar 7's midi improvements...

As promised, here is a bit of feedback following a months usage with Logic 8. Obviously I upgraded from a Tascam us122 with Sonar to an Apogee Ensemble with Logic, so i'm not too sure how the Apogee has affected my judgement on quality etc.

Pro Sonar comments:

- Audio Editing is easier and superior.

- Wav files look more detailed.

- Each track automatically changes colour.

- I know how to use it already.

- 64 bit internal processing just makes me feel better.

- Rewire to Reason was good but a tad clumsy sometimes.

- I wrote loadsa great tracks on Sonar.



Anti Sonar Comments:

- I found it buggy, but eventually learned what would trigger crashes etc so could avoid them.

- Midi editing clumsy.



Pro Logic Comments:

- All included effects and synths are lovely.

- Plenty of effects and synths.

- Easier to move midi/audio parts to snap points on the grid.

- Waveburner and Soundtrax are really good mastering facilities.

- More detailed and spacious recordings (examples up soon) but is this because of the Apogee?



Anti Logic comments:

- All Logic synths and plugins automatically load preset compressors, eq's and reverbs etc. This is really frustrating especially when i'm a guy who likes to "cut" eq rather than "boost" (Logic presets boost). This is basically annoying as I have to delete the additional plug ins.

- Still can't figure out how to rewire Reason properly.

- Too many synths and effects.

- Midi editing no easier that Sonar.

- Need to learn how to use it properly.

- New tracks do not change colour.

- Audio editing frustrating, awkward to create fades, not even sure if its possible to fade at the beginning of a sample.

- Cant access my Sonar files.

- I still havn't written anything half decent yet.

- Not 64 bit internal processing - makes me feel sad.


Maybe i'll partition the hard drive, install windows as well as Sonar.
Also, I thought the Mac would run £2500.00 faster, but it doesn't.