"Solo safe" in S7?

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2007/11/10 17:54:58 (permalink)

"Solo safe" in S7?

Hi!

I'd like to know if there's a "solo safe" version in SE7. That's needed when you route a channel to a headphone-aux. This aux channel has to be "solo safe", that means that when you mute the original channel the aux channel isn't muted at all.

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    Richard Brian
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    RE: "Solo safe" in S7? 2007/11/10 19:13:06 (permalink)
    Pre-fader sends are unaffected by solo/mute. Have a good one.
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    RE: "Solo safe" in S7? 2007/11/10 19:14:51 (permalink)
    If I understand you correctly, you want to send a track to an aux bus. Then you want to be able to solo that track but still here its output in the bus. If that is the case, then simply set the track's send to Pre instead of Post.

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    post edited by garrigus - 2007/11/10 19:26:01
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    RE: "Solo safe" in S7? 2007/11/11 03:52:03 (permalink)
    Thank you very much for your answers!

    Greetings from Italy!

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    RE: "Solo safe" in S7? 2008/04/26 00:41:16 (permalink)
    What if I want to solo a vocal, and have the music tracks keep playing as I solo each vocal track against it. You would put the desired music tracks in "solo safe" mode, and solo presses on other channels do not affect those "safe'd" channels. It's also great on effects returns. My consoles do this, too. Does Sonar?

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    RE: "Solo safe" in S7? 2008/04/26 07:00:06 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: sscannon

    What if I want to solo a vocal, and have the music tracks keep playing as I solo each vocal track against it. You would put the desired music tracks in "solo safe" mode, and solo presses on other channels do not affect those "safe'd" channels. It's also great on effects returns. My consoles do this, too. Does Sonar?


    Wouldn't the same be done by muting the vocals and unmuting them one by one?

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    RE: "Solo safe" in S7? 2008/04/26 09:05:36 (permalink)
    Wouldn't the same be done by muting the vocals and unmuting them one by one?


    In a sense, yes...Or "solo" all the music tracks you want to hear, then add (solo) the respective vocal tracks as desired...There are more than two ways to skin most cats!

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    RE: "Solo safe" in S7? 2008/04/26 10:32:06 (permalink)
    Solo Safe is a concept from the days of large format analog consoles. I, for two, miss it. I also miss the flexibility of PFL/AFL, and a handful of other features that I was accustomed to back in the bad old days!

    However, it isn't a clear cut issue...

    I know (electronically) several of the folks from Cakewalk from my constant whining, badgering, and begging, and it isn't like they have no experience with "old fashioned" production techniques.

    But there is an ongoing debate, pretty much across the industry, between emulating the old production techniques and coming up with newer/better approaches.

    The most obvious challenge is the User Interface for a plug-in. Some companies, UAD and NI come to mind, strive to accurately reproduce the original front panel. Other companies, Waves and Kjaerhus are good examples, have tried to leverage the computer display to present more information than was possible on the older front panels.

    Both are good approaches, and each will appeal to a different part of the marketplace. I'm not sure that there is a "right" answer.

    HOWEVER, as much as I sympathize with the decision makers, I do think that there are some things we used to do that we still need to be able to do.

    An uber-flexible solo system is one, audible scrubbing is another. There are work-arounds for the first, and for the most part I have been able to bend the solo system in Sonar to my will. But Solo-Safe and Solo-Invert as hardwired functions would be more intuitive for me. On the ther hand I have been able to do some strange things with solo and mute that I probably could not have done with a hardware console.

    I think I have a new feature request to pummel the Cakewalk marketing department with<G>...

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    RE: "Solo safe" in S7? 2008/04/26 10:45:00 (permalink)
    Audible scrubbing IS available...

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    RE: "Solo safe" in S7? 2008/04/26 12:07:33 (permalink)
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    Audible scrubbing IS available...


    Well, that's debatable<G>!

    The scrub tool as it exists now is very difficult to work with. The tool does not respond as accurately as reel-rocking, which makes finding an edit point tricky. I have recently upgraded my primary DAW, and I have to admit that the scrub tool is much more responsive on the new machine, but it still isn't quite there.

    This is one of those issues that I have been a PITA about<G>!

    Ultimately I think it comes down to what you want to do with audible scrubbing...

    If all you want to do is find the beginning of the second chorus the current implementation works pretty well, although at that point I'd argue that markers are a much better solution if you are working on something from scratch. If you are splicing together (e.g.) a montage of pieces for a spot then markers are not really an option until you place them, which would require some scrubbing<G>!

    However, if you are trying to find the start of an event the acceleration/deceleration curve is a bit touchy<G>! And of course, per Murphy's Law, that is exactly what I want/need to do. If someone wants to tell me the secret password/recipe that makes this a little more useful I'll be indebted (not forever, but for a good long time!)


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