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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/21 19:38:26
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Hey Scott, you've melded these sounds together really well. Very good recording on the vocals; and a very good vocalist by the way. Really cool the way you brought in the deep, dark kick drum @ 3:00, fits the song perfect. I like it; the only thing I would even think about on this one would be to maybe pull that kick back a couple of db.
Duane
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/21 20:03:22
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Outstanding. Really great song. Best yet from you. I think Duane is right about the kick.
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/21 20:17:25
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The only thing I can say has to do with the piano. It sounds muddy and way far away. It sounds like the top is down and it is in the other room. If that is the sound you are after then no worries. I can see that when the vocals are happening, but at the beginning, I would have a crisper piano. It might just be the sample as well. What piano is it?
As others have already mentioned the kick could be drawn back as well.
Hope that helps.
Ron
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/21 20:26:23
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I love the sound of the drums when they come in... they have a huge stadium rock sound...massive... I agree they need to come down ....but in my opinion..not by to much maybe a db... this is a dark song and the drums & guitar sound righteous...!
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/21 21:03:35
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What piano is it? It is the TTS-1 Piano (2nd from top) Piano 1 st. I changed it up to just the plain 'ol piano, and it sounds a little brighter. Any other suggestions? (Freeware please!) I also kicked down the kick by about 3db. I'm pretty stoked that this is all the changes you all hear! This has really been tough due to the dynamics. Many thanks!!!! You're all SUCH a huge help!
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/21 21:22:42
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This is the full shilling.
Pity you're in New England and not in the old version, the shows are gonna be great.
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/21 21:48:28
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This is the full shilling.
Pity you're in New England and not in the old version, the shows are gonna be great. Thank you for the compliment! Actually, we most likely will be over at some point. Our manager is in Worcestershire and I've always dreamed of playing at the Camden Falcon (if it didn't get burned down a few months ago!!) I'll be happy if we actually sell some albums! Cheers, Scott
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/21 22:13:00
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Hey, this sounds good! I can't comment on the mix or anything, but it's great. Do you have the splendid piano sound font with the soundfont player? It's the one I use--it's free. Let me know if you need info about downloading it.
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/21 22:26:07
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ORIGINAL: spindlebox
Thank you for the compliment! Actually, we most likely will be over at some point. Our manager is in Worcestershire and I've always dreamed of playing at the Camden Falcon (if it didn't get burned down a few months ago!!) I'll be happy if we actually sell some albums!
Cheers,
Scott
Another dream shattered I'm afraid.  All the music went to the Camden Monarch (Barfly), which is where it's at now. I was lucky when I was playing there were plenty of venues here, they're all doing dance and karaoke (yikes) now.
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/21 22:53:27
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another good one from Alice Sweet Alice -
love the dynamics on this. nothing more to add that hasn't already been mentioned, Scott. nice work - keep it up!
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/21 23:15:34
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Scott, I like. I'd narrow the lead @3:00 a little, just seemed too far back to me. Vox great, kick seems good. A better piano will improve mix. I took my wife shopping in Amarillo for Mother's day and stopped in Hastings Book store, picked up a copy of SOS. Very cool to see all the photos of you. I haven't got through the whole article yet, but was impressed with how long the article is and sooo many photos. Neat! Props man.
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/21 23:38:58
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The strings (low) seem to be overpowering the piano in the begining (but that could just be these ears). I would like to hear that beautiful piano melody just a bit more out in the mix. I do like the strings though.
The singer seems a bit pensive? She's not a bad singer, but I'd like to see her "with motivation". And I may touch her up a bit with Melodyne or VVocal if you don't have Melodyne in a couple of parts, not all over, but in a few places.
The sticato strings seem a bit abrupt and syncopated, but that's probaby what you're going for, but I would take them back a weence.
When the drums come in, they have so much more reverb than everything else, they don't feel right in the mix to me.
The lead guitar is WAY to far back and is too wet (IMO).
To me it has some good potential, but needs some polish :-)
Sorry, I don't want this to sound overly negative, these were my thoughts as I listened. But like I said, overall, I like the tune!
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/22 00:48:53
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Wow Scott. Great song. I like the vox a lot. The lead guitar is great and a nice fit for the song but does need to come up a little. I really like this kinda music. Are you doing any shows in New England anytime soon?
rhyno
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/22 06:28:22
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Hi Scott
I'm sharing some of Robby's views on this one. As a song and a demo it sounds great, as a finished article I would have slight reservations about the following:
The singer has a good voice but sounds like she hasn't quite nailed the tune enough to be really confident in her performance, it does get better when the drums come in.
I would reduce the reverb slightly on some of the parts
The stabby piano chords under the drums IMO don't sound in time and they could be more strident and hold the rhythm together better with a bit of tweaking
That's how I'm hearing it, but what do I know!
Andy
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/22 07:45:44
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OK, final tweaks will be the following:
I quantized the lead piano and changed the sound. The quantized piano took care of the timing issues. QUANTIZING ROCKS. I didnt' realize how much it was off until it was fixed! Hey, I like that humanized feel, and I knew some was a tad off, but sometimes you just gotta take a deep breath and do what's right.
The verb, that's sort of like S&P. Some will like it, some won't. I'll take another listen, but I'm not hearing anything out of character with the rest of the songs.
Her voice . . . . well, it's not perfect but are any of ours? I like Tom Waits' voice too. It's not unlistenable, and she feels good about it. What can I do?
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU to all, especially Robby and Lemonboy. Those constructive critisizms are what I post here for; so no apologies necessary. There is so much going on, sometimes I can't hear everything (or anything) anymore. But I also have to realize that I'll never please anyone, except myself, so when I find something I like without glaring defects, and that I and the rest of ASA can live with, it'll be done.
Cheers to all!
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/22 07:52:26
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I haven't got through the whole article yet, but was impressed with how long the article is and sooo many photos. Neat! Props man. LOL. It may be so long because he had quite a challenge to work with! I think a shorter article would mean a better mix! Do me a favor and at least listen to the new recording/mix that I did as a result of his article. (It's posted below this song in the same player.) I was initially put-off by his classification of a "DEMO", but now I know what he means, and you'll hear the huge difference. Night and day. You'll see what you get when you swallow your pride and listen to others more knowledgeable!!! Hey, that's why I'm here now!!! Scott, I like. I'd narrow the lead @3:00 a little, just seemed too far back to me. The lead guitar too far back? I brought it up a "weence" borrowing a term from Robby.
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RE: Orchestral Gothic - NEW SONG
2008/05/22 13:35:39
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Whoa.... to you ...oh...earth and sea...
for the devil sends the beast with wrath.....
because he knows the time is short.....
let him who hath understanding.....
reckon the number of the beast.....
for it is a human number...
it`s number is.....
666 So if JESUS rose from the DEAD Does that mean he`s the ORIGINAL ZOMBIE?
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