micaofboca
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USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
I'm running my Yamaha MOTIF ES through SONAR using an Edirol FA-66 audio interface as my soundcard, using a Creation Station XP.
PLEASE HELP ME just to get the instruments out of KONTAKT and into SONAR's empty Midi tracks, to arm and record with. I have NO difficulties loading the MOTIF sounds (instruments) into SONAR via the Track Properties box since I've defined all the MOTIF instruments so you can see them and load them inside SONAR. But I can't even get the KONTAKT instruments to make sound. There's very little to set up within KONTAKT other than the Audio & Midi settings option which opens the Audio SETUP window. I'm using an Edirol FA-66, so that takes care off the interface. I'm sampling at 48000, but I might be making a mistake here, in which case I'd have to change all the sample rate settings in SONAR to 44100 and I'd also have to change the setting on the back of the Edirol interface. The output Device is the Edirol, so that seems to be all the settings I need, but I'm still not getting any sounds. Could you please tell me how to make the appropriate settings so that I can load KONTAKT's instruments into empty Midi tracks in SONAR and sequence with them. I must be omitting a step inside SONAR to make KONTAKT work. Could you tell me what it is? Thanks for getting me over the hump.
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/07 23:00:05
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1. Insert Kontakt from Synth Rack and choose the number of outputs you want to use. I believe it offers a few different choices.
2. Load an instrument inside of Kontakt and set the midi channel and output to the same number in Sonar's track view (midi channel and audio output).
You should be able to here, play and record.
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/07 23:37:31
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Thank you, Moe, oh and uh........... zai gezunt. You're very kind to help me.
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/08 00:16:12
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Forgive me, but where can I find the 2 options you describe? First, where's the option offered letting me select how many outputs I want to use in KONTAKT? Next, after I load an instrument (which right now I can't get to produce any sound) where can I find the option to set the Midi CHANNEL and output to the same number as in SONAR's track view (Midi channel & audio output). I just need you to walk me through the menus to find these options. Thanks, Bubbie.
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/08 00:51:48
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When you insert Kontakt, Sonar opens a dialog box where you can change the option to all outputs. In the upper left hand corner of the Kontakt instrument are two small drop down arrows to select the midi channel and audio output. The Kontakt instrument usually defaults to midi channel 1, and the audio output defaults to the first primary output, which should match the first Audio and first Midi channel in the Sonar track view. David Das has a Kontakt power book you might benefit from, and you should also do the Sonar Tutorial on using Soft snyths.
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/08 01:47:07
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Extremely cool of you Moe. Funny, It took me 4 months just to overcome the setting up options for merely getting SONAR to sequence my MOTIF sounds using an Edirol FA-66 interface. Once all the settings are cool in SONAR, MOTIF and EDIROL, the rest comes rather easily. Same goes for KONTAKT and playing other manufacturers' Midi samples (KONTAKT recognizes Kurzweil). Now for some reason, all of the books, all of the DVD's, and all of the manuals conveniently jump immediately to using the software, conveniently skipping dozens of options required to set-up the unique combination of sequencer, Midi instruments, and audio interface that varies from user to user.
I'll try to get KONTAKT to load up in SONAR using your suggestion and get back to you, Moe, Thanks for your friendly help. But, the tutorial online videos you mention don't address this issue of "following the signal path", so I can assign the KONTAKT instruments into empty Midi tracks in SONAR.
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Kalle Rantaaho
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/08 05:02:37
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I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "assigning Kontakt instruments to empty MIDI-tracks"??? Somehow I smell a TOTAL misunderstanding here. In your OP you write"...to get the instruments out of Kontakt and into SONAR's empty MIDI-tracks." The instruments can not be moved out of Kontakt. You can drag wav-files on SONAR's audio tracks, but no Kontakt instruments on the midi tracks. I take it you have done the tutorials on softsynths on your SONAR-dvd ? With all respect, Micaofboca, to Moe2's suggestion to insert Kontak via Synth Rack and then load an instrument in Kontakt assigning the MIDI-channels, your answer is "Where can I find these options". Those options are the very very basic things in both SONAR's and Kontakt's manual. You can not read the manuals without seeing those. What's up? You have worked four months with SONAR and "Synth Rack" is still an unknown feature to you, even though you say you have read the manual and watched tutorial videos? Do you have the SONAR-dvd? I do admit that these things can be very confusing sometimes. Especially if your starting point is a little off, then even the right advice leads to the wrong direction no matter how hard you try. I hope I'm not overly rude or unfair now, and I do hope you get your stuff working. EDIT: I take it you have installed the VST-version of Kontakt?
post edited by Kalle Rantaaho - 2008/07/08 05:27:12
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/08 11:27:36
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I think what Kalle said is absolutely right. I would forget about Kontakt for the moment and try something simpler, like the included Cakewalk TTS. See if you can make some sound with that. If you can't, you need to do the included tutorials.
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/08 11:55:17
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the kontakt videos are a quick way to learn BUT still you will have to do a lot of reading/experimenting to get the most out of things till they become second nature.
I'm doing a LOT of reading the past few months, sonar power book, all of the komplete things (inc kontakt)
it's a case of nailing the basics and building on them. A lot of the principles for vst-i's etc are the same.. it gets to a point where you have to then deal with the specific's each vst-i's have..
I'd rather be working on more music, but if learning the stuff helps me use the things to their fullest extent. If it helps makes better music, then it's not such a bad thing. Of course I get my healthy daily amount of music making still.. and you just break things down to their smaller elements, then its not so bad.
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/08 13:16:17
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ORIGINAL: Kalle Rantaaho
I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "assigning Kontakt instruments to empty MIDI-tracks"??? Somehow I smell a TOTAL misunderstanding here. In your OP you write"...to get the instruments out of Kontakt and into SONAR's empty MIDI-tracks." The instruments can not be moved out of Kontakt. You can drag wav-files on SONAR's audio tracks, but no Kontakt instruments on the midi tracks.
I take it you have done the tutorials on softsynths on your SONAR-dvd ?
With all respect, Micaofboca, to Moe2's suggestion to insert Kontak via Synth Rack and then load an instrument in Kontakt assigning the MIDI-channels, your answer is "Where can I find these options".
Those options are the very very basic things in both SONAR's and Kontakt's manual. You can not read the manuals without seeing those. What's up?
You have worked four months with SONAR and "Synth Rack" is still an unknown feature to you, even though you say you have read the manual and watched tutorial videos? Do you have the SONAR-dvd?
I do admit that these things can be very confusing sometimes. Especially if your starting point is a little off, then even the right advice leads to the wrong direction no matter how hard you try.
I hope I'm not overly rude or unfair now, and I do hope you get your stuff working.
EDIT: I take it you have installed the VST-version of Kontakt?
You are not being rude. This is a reasonable asertion. Has the OP ever used Kontakt as a standalone instrument and gotten sound out of it?
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micaofboca
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/09 04:22:58
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Kalle, I'm so sorry about my bad vocabulary when trying to explain technical matters, but I'm 100% certain, once you understand my particular approach, that you can get me off and running, since I've used KONTAKT before.... I just need to get the instruments loaded where I want them. Everyone has a different method for using SONAR. But once you see the way I set up my instruments, you'll be able to easily guide me and make KONTAKT's patches accessible to my tracks layout. The following is my method of composing tracks and recording original compositions:
Using Yamaha MOTIF ES as my Midi controller, I want to load not only the MOTIF's library, but also KONTAKT 3, as well as hundreds of Kurzweil Midi instrument samples that I have saved on an external Glyph drive from a few years back, when I used my Kurzwei 2500S as my workstation. Now I've switched to MOTIF ES, where I've successfully defined all the instrtruments and can easily load them into WHAT I CALL empty Midi tracks. I do this by opening SONAR & deleting all of the 4 tracks they automatically load at Start-up. Now, with an empty slate, I load "empty" Midi tracks, to which I assign (SO FAR ONLY WITH MOTIF instruments) Motif instruments (Drums, bass, and all the rest). I DO THIS BY opening the TRACK PROPERTIES screen and assigning the INPUT as OMNI (I'll do this for all of my tracks), and then by assigning The correct channel (1-16 or whatever), selecting the BANK from the drop down list that has been filled with my MOTIF library, but DOES NOT LEAD ME TO THE KONTAKT library of sounds. From here I can proceed to the final step, which is to assign the PATCH (which only lists the MOTIF options, since KONTAKT CANNOT be assigned instrument definitions in SONAR.
I have no interest (right now) in using soft synths or plug in boards to expand my Midi library, however I'm dedicated to using (in addition to my cool MOTIF library) the KONTAKT library, as well as my huge library of Kurzweil formatted Midi instruments that I have stored in my Glyph external hard-drive. KONTAKT recognizes Kurzweil samples so I just need to load them.
That's all I need to do- that is, to get over the obstacle of loading my KONTAKT library (and later on my Kurzweil library). The one thing that's confusing me is, that everybody has their own method for loading sounds and recording with them. I have NO NEED for help in loading the MOTIF instruments, but I just can't see how THE TRACK PROPERTIES DIALOG BOX, can access KONTAKT's library, since this is the method I use for assigning Midi instrument patches to their respective tracks. Once the TRACK PROPERTIES dialog box is completed, I have no problems in composing and recording my own material.
If I CANNOT load KONTAKT's instruments into SONAR "empty Midi tracks" that I loaded after deleting the tracks that automatically load at start-up , How can I drop the KONTAKT instruments into (WHAT I CALL empty Midi tracks, and arm them for recording MIDI. My problem is that I'm used to loading my instruments by using the TRACK PROPERTIES DIALOG BOX. Since Kontakt's sounds are not defined inside SONAR the way Motif's are, I CANNOT ASSIGN KONTAKT's instruments to their CORRECT Tracks ("empty Midi tracks") using the TRACK PROPERTIES DIALOG BOX. You see, I plan to do my initial Mixing and Mastering in Midi before recording the finished Midi tracks into Audio, using SONAR's audio recording engine.
CAN YOU HELP ME LOAD and ASSIGN the KONTAKT Midi patches to their correct positions, so I can forget about all this and just start recording with KONTAKT. If the TRACK PROPERTIES DIALOG BOX is not capable of assigning and loading them, where can I navigate in order to make sure the KONTAKT instruments are following the signal path correctly by routing them to their proper positions, with regards to Track, Channel, etc., etc., etc.
Can you help me? Once all the voices are properly positioned, I can start recording the hundreds of songs I have ready to roll.my sounds
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Kalle Rantaaho
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/09 04:57:04
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I surrender. I've got no idea what you're talking about. I've never used hardware synths with SONAR. I've never heard of any other ways of using Kontakt than as a VST or standalone. And the option of loading Kontakt instruments separately to tracks sounds impossible to me...
May the wiser ones chime in...
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/09 05:02:51
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ORIGINAL: Kalle Rantaaho
I surrender. I've got no idea what you're talking about. I've never used hardware synths with SONAR. I've never heard of any other ways of using Kontakt than as a VST or standalone. And the option of loading Kontakt instruments separately to tracks sounds impossible to me...
May the wiser ones chime in...
That's because there isn't any other way... @ the OP- it's been suggested that you read the Sonar tutorials. I also suggest you read the Kontakt manual and (if you're using Kontakt 3) to watch the video tutorials in your Kontakt folder. Your NI forum moderator, ew
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/09 07:43:00
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ORIGINAL: micaofboca
Kalle, I'm so sorry about my bad vocabulary when trying to explain technical matters, but I'm 100% certain, once you understand my particular approach, that you can get me off and running, since I've used KONTAKT before.... I just need to get the instruments loaded where I want them.
It's not about your vocabulary. I'm a non-native-english-speaker myself. I just don't get it! But after reading your post about five times I'm guessing: Are you talking about "Instrument definitions" dialog that is accessed through "Track properties"> "Assign instruments"??. If so, you still have to open Kontakt as a VST soft synth as far as I know (and if so, why did you not mention it  ). There's no Instrument file for Kontakt in SONAR and neither is there one in this address: http://www.cakewalknet.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=48 Kontakt is a sampler. How could there be an instrument file for it unless you're able to do one yourself? Every user has a totally different library for it depending on the instruments they've bought/created. Are you sure you don't remember wrong the way you used Kontakt earlier?
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/09 10:28:44
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Kontakt is a sampler. How could there be an instrument file for it unless you're able to do one yourself? Every user has a totally different library for it depending on the instruments they've bought/created. There isn't an instrument definition file for Kontakt because it isn't a physical module/keyboard. It is strictly software based. The program itself includes a sample library (fairly large, over 30GB's). To use these sounds in SONAR (or any other DAW app as far as I know) requires inserting Kontakt as a soft-synth (VSTi or DXi) within a SONAR project. ORIGINAL: micaofboca
...I have no interest (right now) in using soft synths... If you want to use Kontakt's sample library you have no other option...It isn't that difficult to do...You simply need to insert it as a softsynth in your project... To do this click on Insert-->SoftSynths-->(then select either the NI option/Kontakt or the VST Plugins option/Kontakt--depending on the install of both DXi & VSTi or which instance you want to use)... You should see a screen similar to this: You can decide whether to use "First Synth..." or "All Synth" outputs (which will determine the number of Audio tracks associated with Kontakt in your project... Now all you need to do is insert your instruments in the output slots of Kontakt: At this stage you can use all of the available slots in Kontakt (BTW, I used Kompakt for the pics but the premise is the same) for the instruments of your choice and assign each output slot to your desired MIDI channels... NOW THEN, in SONAR you'll need to tell SONAR what MIDI input(s) you want to feed to Kontakt in order to hear the samples that you've loaded in Kontakt... Now you should be set to go with your "softsynth" application of Kontakt in your project... Hope this helps you get to where you want to be...
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/09 11:26:30
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Thanks for the extra input, Papa. What beats me is the OP says he has used Kontakt before, not as a soft synth, but inside SONAR. Obviously the OP does know how to use soft synths, but he insists on using Kontakt sounds in some mysterious other way.
At the moment I'm sure this is a confusion somehow linked to instrument definitions.
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/09 12:02:20
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ORIGINAL: Kalle Rantaaho
Thanks for the extra input, Papa. What beats me is the OP says he has used Kontakt before, not as a soft synth, but inside SONAR. I missed the part about him using Kontakt within SONAR (lack of line spacing in his posts make it diffidult to follow ) Obviously the OP does know how to use soft synths, but he insists on using Kontakt sounds in some mysterious other way.
At the moment I'm sure this is a confusion somehow linked to instrument definitions.
Instrument definitions (as I understand the concept) are based on the banks/patches/instruments, etc., of MIDI instruments (hardware synths) such as the Motif...Since Kontakt is software based (with a developer specific sample format) I don't know if it's possible to easily--if at all--create usable instrument definitions without having the program itself included as a part of the SONAR project... If I'm totally off-base I hope some MIDI/SoftSynth expert will correct me...
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/09 12:34:35
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ORIGINAL: papa2004
Instrument definitions (as I understand the concept) are based on the banks/patches/instruments, etc., of MIDI instruments (hardware synths) such as the Motif...Since Kontakt is software based (with a developer specific sample format) I don't know if it's possible to easily--if at all--create usable instrument definitions without having the program itself included as a part of the SONAR project...
If I'm totally off-base I hope some MIDI/SoftSynth expert will correct me...
Actually, if you think of Kontakt from a MIDI point of view, it's the same as a hardware synth. Therefore I would think you could create an instrument definition for Kontakt, or any other soft synth. It's just that the file would be huge, particularly if you use Kontakt as a go-to sample player. Even in the stock version with no external sounds to Kontakt played, the .ins file would be huge and wouldn't gain one anything. I mean, you're dealing with a soft synth that's resident on the same system and screen as Sonar unlike a hardware piece that may well be remote to where your daw is. It's actually easier to just go to the Kontakt instrument and put the sounds in there and then go back to Sonar and work with the individual tracks there. And another thing: if you do create an .ins file for Kontakt, each time you want to add another sample set to be played through it you'd have to edit the .ins file. Why go through that hassle? Really, instrument definition files are, IMO, really only useful for static systems.
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/09 14:24:24
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I've become sincerely curious about this. I'd really like to know what this is all about.
Somehow this reminds me of one thread where the OP thought all the synths named in instrument list were actually included in SONAR as soft synths, and he was wondering why he couldn't get sound from his soft synths. It took a LONG time before the forum and the OP started to talk about the same thing.
Here Micaofboca repeatedly refers to Track Properties dialog, and the only thing there that could be ( according to my logics) associated to the rest of the problem description is the instrument definitions.
As I said, I am curious to know the pattern of misunderstandings on both sides to learn more about communication.
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/09 14:46:19
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Since Kontakt's sounds are not defined inside SONAR the way Motif's are, I CANNOT ASSIGN KONTAKT's instruments to their CORRECT Tracks ("empty Midi tracks") using the TRACK PROPERTIES DIALOG BOX. You see, I plan to do my initial Mixing and Mastering in Midi before recording the finished Midi tracks into Audio, using SONAR's audio recording engine Micaofboca, here's one more statement that makes me think you've totally misunderstood something, even though you say you have not, and that you know exactly what you're looking for. This quote makes no sense at all. Not seeing the instrument names in the Track Properties has nothing to do with assigning the instruments to different tracks. You talk about "recording midi into audio" which may refer to hardware synths (midi out to synth and synth's audio out to soundcard>SONAR for recording), but Kontakt's (as a soft synth) midi tracks are either frozen or bounced to audio, not recorded. "The finished midi tracks" propably means they have effects on them, and that means the effects are in the effect bin of an AUDIO track through which the (soft)synth plays the sounds.
post edited by Kalle Rantaaho - 2008/07/09 15:11:02
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2008/07/09 15:27:36
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And another thing: if you do create an .ins file for Kontakt, each time you want to add another sample set to be played through it you'd have to edit the .ins file. Why go through that hassle? Really, instrument definition files are, IMO, really only useful for static systems. Pretty much my point...Inserting it as a playable soft-synth would be, IMO, the most efficient way...It's marketed as a soft-synth sampler program with a multitude of included samples...Why would anyone want to change that?
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/09 15:27:51
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ORIGINAL: micaofboca
Kalle, I'm so sorry about my bad vocabulary when trying to explain technical matters, but I'm 100% certain, once you understand my particular approach, that you can get me off and running, since I've used KONTAKT before.... I just need to get the instruments loaded where I want them. Everyone has a different method for using SONAR. But once you see the way I set up my instruments, you'll be able to easily guide me and make KONTAKT's patches accessible to my tracks layout. The following is my method of composing tracks and recording original compositions:
Using Yamaha MOTIF ES as my Midi controller, I want to load not only the MOTIF's library, but also KONTAKT 3, as well as hundreds of Kurzweil Midi instrument samples that I have saved on an external Glyph drive from a few years back, when I used my Kurzwei 2500S as my workstation. Now I've switched to MOTIF ES, where I've successfully defined all the instrtruments and can easily load them into WHAT I CALL empty Midi tracks. I do this by opening SONAR & deleting all of the 4 tracks they automatically load at Start-up. Now, with an empty slate, I load "empty" Midi tracks, to which I assign (SO FAR ONLY WITH MOTIF instruments) Motif instruments (Drums, bass, and all the rest). I DO THIS BY opening the TRACK PROPERTIES screen and assigning the INPUT as OMNI (I'll do this for all of my tracks), and then by assigning The correct channel (1-16 or whatever), selecting the BANK from the drop down list that has been filled with my MOTIF library, but DOES NOT LEAD ME TO THE KONTAKT library of sounds. From here I can proceed to the final step, which is to assign the PATCH (which only lists the MOTIF options, since KONTAKT CANNOT be assigned instrument definitions in SONAR.
I have no interest (right now) in using soft synths or plug in boards to expand my Midi library, however I'm dedicated to using (in addition to my cool MOTIF library) the KONTAKT library, as well as my huge library of Kurzweil formatted Midi instruments that I have stored in my Glyph external hard-drive. KONTAKT recognizes Kurzweil samples so I just need to load them.
That's all I need to do- that is, to get over the obstacle of loading my KONTAKT library (and later on my Kurzweil library). The one thing that's confusing me is, that everybody has their own method for loading sounds and recording with them. I have NO NEED for help in loading the MOTIF instruments, but I just can't see how THE TRACK PROPERTIES DIALOG BOX, can access KONTAKT's library, since this is the method I use for assigning Midi instrument patches to their respective tracks. Once the TRACK PROPERTIES dialog box is completed, I have no problems in composing and recording my own material.
If I CANNOT load KONTAKT's instruments into SONAR "empty Midi tracks" that I loaded after deleting the tracks that automatically load at start-up , How can I drop the KONTAKT instruments into (WHAT I CALL empty Midi tracks, and arm them for recording MIDI. My problem is that I'm used to loading my instruments by using the TRACK PROPERTIES DIALOG BOX. Since Kontakt's sounds are not defined inside SONAR the way Motif's are, I CANNOT ASSIGN KONTAKT's instruments to their CORRECT Tracks ("empty Midi tracks") using the TRACK PROPERTIES DIALOG BOX. You see, I plan to do my initial Mixing and Mastering in Midi before recording the finished Midi tracks into Audio, using SONAR's audio recording engine.
CAN YOU HELP ME LOAD and ASSIGN the KONTAKT Midi patches to their correct positions, so I can forget about all this and just start recording with KONTAKT. If the TRACK PROPERTIES DIALOG BOX is not capable of assigning and loading them, where can I navigate in order to make sure the KONTAKT instruments are following the signal path correctly by routing them to their proper positions, with regards to Track, Channel, etc., etc., etc.
Can you help me? Once all the voices are properly positioned, I can start recording the hundreds of songs I have ready to roll.my sounds
The way you're trying to assign Kontakt sounds is NOT the way it's done in Sonar. That's only possible if you write your own .ins file for Kontakt; that's the magic that might make things work the way you want to. However, why not try and work the way the rest of the world works with Sonar and soft synths and assign the tracks and channels from the track view and the soft synth gui? Kontakt 2 has an easy way of doing this - you go to the pulldown menu at the top of the Kontakt gui and navigate through the various drop-down/fly-out menus and select the sounds you want. For each sound selected there appears a block in the empty space that fills a majority of the gui. In that block is a click-on arrows to allow you to assign the sound to a particular MIDI channel; I tend to use as a MIDI channel number the track number I want to assign the sound to. Then go to that track in Sonar and assign the output of the MIDI channel you want to have that particular sound assigned to and assign that track to the Kontakt soft synth and MIDI channel you selected in Kontakt. Voila - it's music time! I think this is what Papa2004 is trying to say in his post, which BTW, the pictures for some reason are not showing up when I'm logged in - do I have to set something up in my profile? Edit: Scratch the last question - something in my profile got jumbled up and is now corrected. Sorry 'bout that.
post edited by jackn2mpu - 2008/07/09 15:52:53
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RE: USING KONTAKT sounds in SONAR
2008/07/09 16:16:16
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This thread has really taken on a life that isn't really helping anybody...
Maybe there's a way to create an "Instrument Definition" with Kontakt...But the time spent doing it and the resources you'll be wasting are useless...
Use Kontakt as it was intended...Insert it as a "softsynth" into your project...
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