Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut

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2010/06/11 22:15:07 (permalink)

Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut

Is there a shortcut command to select multiple busses to groups in console view?
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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/11 22:43:53 (permalink)
    I'm trying to get what you're after - multiple buses to groups.  You mean, select a lot of buses and assign them, for some reason, to one group?--You know that will make their faders move in unison, right?

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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/11 23:40:27 (permalink)
    Yes exactly, I want to assign multiple busses (faders in unison) to a group without having to do each individually. A shortcut i.e. 'ctrl/drag/add to group' etc..is what I'm after.
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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/11 23:49:56 (permalink)
    OK, sorry I'm at a loss - I've never had that need come up, so haven't ever thought of how it would be done.  Since seeing your post I did test this in Sonar, couldn't see a way to do it.

    I do have to wonder how many buses you're using, that it would seem worthwhile finding a way to assign them to a group in one move.  It takes maybe 2 seconds to assign a bus, or any fader to a group - My projects average about 4 buses, so that's 8 seconds I'm willing to spare--Except I also can't picture the need to group buses--?  All of mine are rather independent of each other--hence the need to have tracks assigned to different buses in the first place.  ---This is all very curious.

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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/12 00:34:48 (permalink)
    ce1982


    Yes exactly, I want to assign multiple busses (faders in unison) to a group without having to do each individually. A shortcut i.e. 'ctrl/drag/add to group' etc..is what I'm after.


    I think Randy's suggestion is good.  Assign all your busses (that you wanted to group) to a new bus -- and voila.  You now have them grouped ;)



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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/12 00:38:05 (permalink)
     It's an orchestra template with instrument tracks that are routed to section busses. I use sends in the section busses to  6 additional Er's busses (er group) & 6 Tail busses ( tail group). Depending on how the signal hits or the verbs/ stage used I can adjust the ers & tail accordingly quickly grouped this way.

     So basically it's around 50 instrument tracks routed to 20 or so section busses that use sends to routed to 6 er busses, 6 tail busses, a reverb wash buss, a mixed verb main out buss & a dry main out buss to the master orchestra main out buss.
    Also templates do not retain their groups when imported into a project so that's another issue when I take the bus!
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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/12 02:53:56 (permalink)
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     It's an orchestra template with instrument tracks that are routed to section busses. I use sends in the section busses to  6 additional Er's busses (er group) & 6 Tail busses ( tail group). Depending on how the signal hits or the verbs/ stage used I can adjust the ers & tail accordingly quickly grouped this way.

    So basically it's around 50 instrument tracks routed to 20 or so section busses that use sends to routed to 6 er busses, 6 tail busses, a reverb wash buss, a mixed verb main out buss & a dry main out buss to the master orchestra main out buss.
    Also templates do not retain their groups when imported into a project so that's another issue when I take the bus!


    That really is very interesting, ce, and I appreciate you explaining the template and your need for what you requested.

    I do think you could perhaps simplify your bus routing. 

    Oh, and this caught my eye, "...& a dry main out buss to the master orchestra main out buss..."--you're using that with the verb bus in addition to the sends which already determining verb balance?  And why?  And the 6 "tail buses" are in addition to the control already available on the ver bus?  And why?  The "reverb wash bus" is doing exactly what in addition to the 6 verb buses?----I ask in more detail to amplify on my original thought that you perhaps could simplify your bus routing.  But it will be interesting to read your response.

    Don't mind me, I've been reading a Victorian murder mystery tonight, and the style of speech has temporarily effected my writing style.

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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/12 09:56:35 (permalink)
    In my mind, the question has to be asked if the busses are intended to be persistently grouped or if the grouping is temporary.   Grouping tracks (never tried busses, sorry) is great for temporary groupings, but for any kind of persistent groupings, grouping tracks and busses to other busses is my weapon of choice. 

    In my typical mix setup, very few tracks go directly to the 2-channel out.  That main out is fed by a buss called "The Band" and another called "Vocals".  "The Band" is fed by another buss for the kit, guitars, other band-related tracks, and band-related fx. The kit buss may be fed by busses for the OHs, actual kit tracks, and kit-specific effects. In a small project I can easily have nearly as many busses as tracks, and while that may seem like adding complexity, it actually gives a magnificent amount of control.

    The advantage to all this is that I have control over these persistent groupings with one fader move on the appropriate group.  If I need to push the guitars leading into a bridge, it's one fader move.  If I need to rebalance the band vs. vocals throughout a section, it can be done with one fader move and one automation lane.

    So to the OP, would something like this work in your scenario, where you specifically assign your tracks to section busses and then those section busses are assigned to other busses for the persistent groupings?
    post edited by BlindDog - 2010/06/12 09:58:45
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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/12 10:56:51 (permalink)
     As many do I use several different libraries for orchestra & this actually simplifies routing for stage & reverb placement.
     
     Ers/ tails front to back, one set for percussion. On this template I'm using pitched Ir's, each eq'd for different instrument ranges.
    Also if used subtlety & correctly a reverb wash i.e. emt250 can give you wonderful results & smooth out the overall reverb sound depending on the piece.

      I.E. I have about 8 different fhrn samples I like to use at various times; vsl, Sam, Dean. These get routed to a Fhrn buss that has either Flux or S1 on that's panned & also narrowed a bit to send to the back of the stage a bit further.

      Using section busses this way I don't need to stick the S1 on every track, just one on the fhorn buss. The send on this fhorn 'section buss' gets routed one of the er's (mid stage) that in turn hits the correct pitched IR tail.
    If I decide to add another fhrn track in the project I just make the out of the track fhrn buss, it's now automatically correctly panned & routed to reverb.


      With convolution I use true stereo ir's & panning the reverb's send doesn't seem to hit the ER correctly, rather I'll group sections or use an imager that corresponds er/tail stage position.
    The reverb is on a seperate buss so I can eq or solo it, for me cutting around 500hz with a linear eq. The dry buss & reverb buss are then routed to one 'orchestra master' out.
    Also because of the limitations of Sonar when importing templates I need only change the 'orchestra master out' buss to out 1-2, not all the other busses...


    Once it's setup it makes my workflow alot easier.
    It's similar to routing a drumkit to a submix.

    post edited by ce1982 - 2010/06/12 11:10:59
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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/12 11:21:16 (permalink)
    BlindDog

    So to the OP, would something like this work in your scenario, where you specifically assign your tracks to section busses and then those section busses are assigned to other busses for the persistent groupings?

    That's what I 'm doing but the need for grouping is simply to adjust either all the Er's or all the Tails fader levels at once instead of doing them one at a time.

    What I'm looking for is a shortcut to select multiple busses together & send them all to one group.  (busses in console view)
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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/12 13:33:32 (permalink)
    "...the need for grouping is simply to adjust either all the Er's or all the Tails fader levels at once instead of doing them one at a time.."

    Then wouldn't it work to have one of those buses going into the second one?

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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/12 14:58:34 (permalink)
    I don't quite understand your question. You don't want all the Er busses being fed into the all the tail busses at the same time.
    You also need the er's at different levels than the tails.

    I do have 2 additional busses set up with ers routed to one, the other tails. It's basically  the same as using grouped busses (minus absolute/ relative attributes) but it defeats the purpose having a group feature in the first place.

    With audio tracks I can multiple select certain ones/ 'select all outputs to'  certain outputs. It would be handy to be able to do this with busses & /or groups as well.


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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/12 15:23:18 (permalink)
    Hi, ce - Your described project set up is so much more complex than what I work with, that I really can't wrap my head around it.  Dealing with early reflections and tails I just set up in the reverb plug-in and use one bus, well, one for each plug-in if I'm using more than one.

    What you're doing seems impressive.  I'll just have to step back since it's so much more complicated than what I'm doing, I can't come up with any helpful feedback really.

    Best of luck with all you do.

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    Re:Multiple Buss Group Select Shortcut 2010/06/12 15:49:18 (permalink)
    I understand, it's hard to visualize it unless you see it in front of you & actually work with it.

    I sometimes prefer using a single reverb tail using the 'Wash' buss with a Bricasti or emt 250 plate & more recently the latest version of Aether. I use the same Er's & just pull out the fader group of convo tails completely.
    Convo reverb can get very convoluted while the plates can be very transparent & shine in the mix.

    Whatever works to gets your desired sound.
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