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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts 2008/08/26 20:38:37 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: jcschild

for the pessimists... and the perfectionists... (of which i am as well)

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cpu was never even close to redline dropouts/pops clicks occured at 30-40% on all tests.
this further proves the quad wont help.

obviously its not the hard drive (low usage read out) as if it was bound by HDD we would not have seen the increase with the 4.0GHz
its not that we are maxing ram total usage as again the increase with the 4gig would not have occured.

what it IS, is memory bandwidth.

memory bandwidth is effected by CPU speed and Front side bus. period. (and CL rating to a point)







what about L2 cache size's effect on samples?

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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts 2008/08/27 09:33:43 (permalink)
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In another thread I just posted in this was said:

droddey:
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No 32 bit version of any OS will support over 4GB of RAM. In fact, do to page memory allocation, you will only see about 2.8-3.2GB on a Win XP 32 bit or Vista 32bit machine.

Actually, that's not technically true. Any *single process* will only see 4GB of RAM, because the virtual address space will be 32 bits due to register size. But on an Intel CPU anyway, a 32 bit OS can make use of much more RAM than that, and spread it out among the individual processes. It's basically the same segmented architcture that has been there since the 186/286 years, but the segments are now 32 bit. The full theoretical memory capacity of a 32 bit Intel CPU is quite huge for that reason, and it doesn't have any of the complexities (for the programs I mean) that the original (16 bit) memory segments caused since each process will just see a single, flat 32 bit address space. It's only the OS that has to deal with that extra layer of virtual address mapping.

It's just that Windows, I assume for reasons of compabitility with other CPUs that don't provide that capability, doesn't choose to make use of this feature. It's kind of a bummer since in the end Windows' multi-platform capabilties came to naught and it really only is ever deployed on CPUs that do provide this segmented architecture, AFAIK. Of course it would also make the OS memory management more comlex, but the CPU provides a lot of support for that stuff.

So anyway, it wouldn't give SONAR any more *virtual* memory space, because of the issue of mapping things into each process' high GB of virtual address space. But it could mean that SONAR could have a full 4GB of physical memory to itself because the overall memory capacity could be 64MB or whatever and each process that required it could have that full 4GB, with none taken by other processes. That wouldn't make a huge difference for some folks, but for others it could very much help if they are running other large apps at the same time.


So this could mean I can rewire Tascam Gigastudio into Cakewalk Sonar 7. So a system with 10 GB memory and 8 cores on WINXPPRO should show 3.2 free memory. But when the two apps are started and setup both should get their own space of 4GB and thus the system benefits of cores and memory on a dual quad. Offcourse the system should have three disks. One OS one SAMPLES and one audio.

JCCHILD have you tested this and is there added benefit?

Muziekschuur


nope dont work that way, only in a 64 environment. even with PAE it does not work.
you need server versions (cant remember which) of 32 bit for that to 1/2 work. its rather convoluted.

even is 64bit this still is not working as it should. if we could run things in stand alone mode it helps..

and rewireing Giga in anything flat sucks anyway...
post edited by jcschild - 2008/08/27 09:34:28

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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts 2008/08/27 09:35:40 (permalink)

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ORIGINAL: jcschild

for the pessimists... and the perfectionists... (of which i am as well)

notes*

cpu was never even close to redline dropouts/pops clicks occured at 30-40% on all tests.
this further proves the quad wont help.

obviously its not the hard drive (low usage read out) as if it was bound by HDD we would not have seen the increase with the 4.0GHz
its not that we are maxing ram total usage as again the increase with the 4gig would not have occured.

what it IS, is memory bandwidth.

memory bandwidth is effected by CPU speed and Front side bus. period. (and CL rating to a point)







what about L2 cache size's effect on samples?


yes it helps. i dont have the actual numbers but we did a test between a small and alrge cache processor at the same FSB and GHz.
if i recall it was not a huge gain but enough to notice



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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts 2008/09/04 11:35:12 (permalink)
Bump for the AMD updated part

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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts 2008/09/04 13:33:38 (permalink)
Which core2 duo vs quad are you talking about. They could have different architectures, and that is making the difference. I assume your talking wolfdale vs kentsfield because there is no 2.4 yorkfield? Unless your talking about the e6850 vs q6600. Of course a software sampler would benefit from a faster buss, samples are loaded into memory and speaks directly with the CPU. A highway with higher posted speed limits between the memory and CPU will OBVIOUSLY makes things go faster. No need for tests to see that.
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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts 2008/10/09 17:08:13 (permalink)
bumpity for new numbers

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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts 2008/10/09 22:16:16 (permalink)
Hey Scott, Thanks for taking the time to test and post your results.
Does this mean you will be putting together a AMD based system again Have you gotten your hands on any new Opteron 45nm based chips? I want AMD back in the game so Intel doesn't go back to the way they use to be.

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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts 2008/10/10 09:31:22 (permalink)
HI Ed,

my most recent update was for the new Intel Nehalem
the AMD system would be only good for a samples guy who didint want to drop the cash on a DDR3 system Core 2 or nehalem.

ideal for a cheap but powerful samples box

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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts 2008/11/19 00:04:58 (permalink)
man that i7 looks awesome! I want!

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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts 2008/11/19 18:40:53 (permalink)
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man that i7 looks awesome! I want!



The good thing is that the 920 model is priced pretty well and i'm sure will lower as time passes. I would've liked to see benchmarks for the 920 out here for music production. But it still is a little beast from what i've gathered.
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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts UPDATED/DDR3/nehalem 2008/12/24 11:21:15 (permalink)
i7 3.2GHz 6G DDR3 1600 Vista 64
48 buffer clean ***** a new winner


Hey Scott, how about running this test same with XP-32?

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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts UPDATED/DDR3/nehalem 2008/12/24 12:07:49 (permalink)
we did i much as it pales me to say Vista performed better. albeit by not much. better memory contorl in Vista.

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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts UPDATED/DDR3/nehalem 2008/12/24 18:03:52 (permalink)
we did i much as it pales me to say Vista performed better. albeit by not much. better memory contorl in Vista.

What did you say? No it can't be! I just must have read this wrong.

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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts UPDATED/DDR3/nehalem 2008/12/24 19:20:15 (permalink)
LOL
i told you i love Vista 64.
i just wish the software would catch up

only thing you and i disagree on is vista 32 vs XP....

FYI performance can actually vary from mobo bios to the next for vista or xp.

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RE: Cores and VSTi the facts UPDATED/DDR3/nehalem 2008/12/24 20:23:42 (permalink)
FYI performance can actually vary from mobo bios to the next for vista or xp.

True very true! Merry Christmas to you!

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