StuSutcliffe
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THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
Hello people. I hope someone help (any hint or try will be welcome). I´ve upgraded my system recently and tried Windows Vista 32bit first time (first impression was good). I have 2 HD SATA, one with all the stuff like internet, games, Photoshop, office, etc......and another ONLY with AUDIO Applications (HOMESTUDIO). Using Dual Boot (windows xp sp2 on usual HD and now Vista 32 SP1 on HOMESTUDIO) I´ve just installed Sonar 7 PE, updated (7.0.2) and i´m having that old problem in audio tracks only: NOISE (Clics and pops), when I turn on the echo button. The audio track is recorded so with noise, too bad!. Surprisely, the midi tracks, even with synths inserted normally in audio ones, sounds clear and fine. I´ve tried change all the settings you guys can imagine on audio menu and on my asio panel, trying all combinations possible (changing the latency buffer size up and down, the driver to ASIO, WDM and MME....etc, etc, etc). The same problem. I have to install many plugins (BFD2, synths like MOOG, etc) but will wait til solve the host problem. My gear: - Intel QuadCore Extreme 9650 processor (not OC yet) - MOBO Rampage Formula - 4 Gb DIMM DDR2 Viper Patriot 1066Mhz - SupremeFX II PCI audio card (bundled with MOBO) - installed but not used - 2 HD SATA 2 (250gb (XP Sp2) / 120 Gb (Vista 32 SP1) ) - NVidia 7900 GTX video PCI-E - M-Audio FireWire 410 audio unit - THAT´S AUDIO INTERFACE INSTALLED AND USED - PCR-800 Roland Controller - EuroRack UB1002 mixer - 2 monitors Roland - Guitars, E-guitars, basses and stuff PS. I´ve installed the latest video and audio drivers (VISTA 32) So...can you help anyway??? Thanks (and sorry my english mistakes)
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RigPa
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 5:11 AM
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Is it ONLY when turning echo button on?
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 5:48 AM
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Stu: What's your latency settings. 410 user here btw. -D
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Rodan
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 9:56 AM
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Hi Stu, Similar problems for me here too after trying the FW-410 and an Asus Formula Maximus on-board firewire controller. I switched that firewire controller off in the bios and inserted a PCI controller (sorry, can't see the label from here to say the brand,) and my cracles went away. Perhaps a similar solution will work for you.
Dan Sanders Sonar X1, X2, X3 Windows 7 - 64 Gigabyte X58a-UD3R. Intel i7-950, 12Gb DDR3 ram M-Audio Firewire 410/Echo Layla 24/96 /Novation ZeRO SL MK II some PartsCasters I've built and lots of Basses
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CJaysMusic
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 12:35 AM
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and i´m having that old problem in audio tracks only: NOISE (Clics and pops), when I turn on the echo button. The audio track is recorded so with noise, too bad!. If the audio track is already recorded, you do not need input echo activated. Is that what your saying???? Cj Edit. common causes of clicks and pops 1. Clipping 2. Driver config (latency/buff settings) 3. IRQ conflict 4. Using a non up to date driver for your sound card 5. Wrong driver mode (ASIO/WDM)
post edited by CJaysMusic - August 12, 08 1:00 PM
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thatonejonguy
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 12:44 AM
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+1 on the onboard firewire. I see it uses a via chipset, might be the culprit... try a pci firewire card with a texas instruments chipset. -Jon
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CJaysMusic
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 12:49 AM
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ORIGINAL: thatonejonguy +1 on the onboard firewire. I see it uses a via chipset, might be the culprit... try a pci firewire card with a texas instruments chipset. -Jon If the Maudio uses a Dice II FW Chipset, then a TI FW chipset is a must in most cases. I dont think the maudio uses that chipset.
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Jim Roseberry
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 12:55 AM
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410 audio unit - THAT´S AUDIO INTERFACE INSTALLED AND USED The problem is almost certainly the onboard Via FW controller. Disable it... and get a good TI chipset controller (ADS Pyro is a good one)
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StuSutcliffe
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 7:06 PM
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1) Yes....when I turn on the echo button (cause It´s the only way I know to listen what I´m playing thru FW 410 Line 1/2 in) the bad noise appears, and ruins my rec. audio track (simply it´s impossible to record any audio with so much noise). 2) I´m using 44 Khz (tried 48 too) with 256 (tried all settings) in ASIO Panel and SONAR Audio menu. 5,8ms of latency. 3) Yes...My 410 is connected on the rear FW onboard. There is on more in front.....maybe!!! I really really want to thank you all your help. I´d never think that the problem could be the FW chipset (on board in case) Wll try a PCI FW card (TI you say?????? What is TI ???? Sorry ...I´m not pro....heheheh)
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CJaysMusic
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 7:13 PM
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1) Yes....when I turn on the echo button (cause It´s the only way I know to listen what I´m playing thru FW 410 Line 1/2 in) the bad noise appears, and ruins my rec. audio track (simply it´s impossible to record any audio with so much noise). If your signal chaion was at the correct levels, you should not have noise. You make it sound like sonar is introducing the noise when you said is it possible to record with so much noise. something is off and you need to find it, cause your noty giving us nothing to go on. When i play or record guitar in sonar with as project, i dont hear any noise and i dont need to insert input echo in order to hear my guitar or any other instrument. Cj
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 7:37 PM
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Quote: "Wll try a PCI FW card (TI you say?????? What is TI ?)" I could be wrong, but I believe that it is the manufacturer "Texas Instruments", or TI for short. Anyone, please correct me if I am wrong about that. HTH, Ed
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StuSutcliffe
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 7:59 PM
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OK....ok...I really forgot to turn on the 1/2 out button in ana 1/2 in (mixer pad) of M-Audio FW Control PANEL. Now I can hear my guitar like "direct monitoring". BUT THE PROBLEM IS TIL THERE....While recording, with the Echo Button off, the sound is clear (though in this way we cant hear any fx applied to track while recording). BUT, during playback.....that terrible noise like an old 30´s radio..you know! My front IEEE-1394 is not working (I don´t know why, cause the cable is connected on MOBO properly). The only one is the rear on, unfortunately.....I´ll have to try buying a PCI IEEE-1394 card.....I´m afraid if it will not work after all......good luck for me (hehehe). Thanks
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 10:00 PM
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See if you have the same problem with Sonar 7.00/7.01 PE. Try WDM drivers, if you're able.
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Jim Roseberry
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 12, 08 10:08 PM
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Wll try a PCI FW card (TI you say?????? What is TI ???? Sorry ...I´m not pro....heheheh) TI is short for Texas Instruments
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StuSutcliffe
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 13, 08 10:09 PM
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I´ve tried all drivers (ASIO, WDM and MME)....always with noise....but ONLY in AUDIO tracks, not in MIDI ones. This is very strange. People told me that could be a FW onboard port problem. And they suggested to disable onboard IEEE and buy a PCI one. I really dont think It´s a 7.0.2 problem.... But I could ask: If the problem is the onboard FW port, why does the noise appear only in audio tracks??????? (the midi sound is routing thru IEEE too I think, cause I´m using Roland PCR-800 USB controller via USB port.......................correct me if I´m wrong about it) Do you think guys it´s a Vista problem?????? I was using XP SP2 before, but my MOBO was Intel 955 ..and now i´ve upgraded to ASUS Rampage.... Thanks.
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 14, 08 9:58 AM
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Hi StuSutcliffe, I can say from experience that the on-board firewire will work great for importing videos from your camcorder, or run midi I/O, but it will cause those terrible pops when you record into Sonar, input monitoring or not. Your best bet is to buy a PCI firewire controller card. Look on the box for words like "uses Texas Instruments chipset" or "TI components" or similar verbage. If you don't see it on the box, ask a store employee for a firewire card with the TI chipset. The M-Audio 410 is a very fine audio/midi interface. You'll see.
Dan Sanders Sonar X1, X2, X3 Windows 7 - 64 Gigabyte X58a-UD3R. Intel i7-950, 12Gb DDR3 ram M-Audio Firewire 410/Echo Layla 24/96 /Novation ZeRO SL MK II some PartsCasters I've built and lots of Basses
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 14, 08 12:28 AM
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Seems like the others have missed a possibility here. You say that you have two hard disks with dual boot. Does that mean that when you boot into Vista on the second drive, that drive also has the Sonar software and the key bit, do you use the same OS drive for recording the audio? You may be MUCH better off using a folder on your XP boot disk for all your audio files, as that disk will then have nothing to do other than stream audio. Using the same disk for OS, Application AND audio files is always risky for pops and clicks. EDIT: From you last post, the fact that you have the problem even with MME drivers also tends to point to a disk streaming problem rather than interface - not conclusively but more likely.
post edited by Mr. Ease - August 14, 08 12:33 AM
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StuSutcliffe
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 15, 08 6:55 AM
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I really don´t know yet people. I didn´t buy a TI FW card yet, and I´m already looking for a good one. But meanwhile, I´m doing some tests. Before my gear upgrade, I´ve already had dual boot system, 2 hds, but both with XP system. AND....the streaming audio recorded, I mean, the audio tracks was recorded in a folder that I´ve created in the same HD of SONAR host (named TempAUDIO). I´ve never had problems like this before, so much noise (clics, pops). The new scene now is the new gear (MOBO ASUS Rampage) and new OS (VISTA 32). I really don´t think my new processor and RAMs have something to do with this. My great doubt at start was the OS Vista (incompatibility), but as I´ve said, You guys could be right about IEEE onboard PORT problems. If it´s right, that´s a great reason to complain to ASUS (althoug I don´t believe they go to do some help.....or support). Thanx again
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RE: THE OLD HEADACHE PROBLEM: CLICS AND POPS
August 15, 08 10:51 AM
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Whether it turns out that audio and software on the same drive is the probelm or not I would heavily recommend that you use a seperate drive for audio. I use per project folders on my audio drive so all the cwp files and audio sit together. Even if this does not prove to be your particular problem, you will still get smoother performance and will be able to stream a larger number of tracks.
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