Sonar 8

Sonar 8, now featuring Project 5...

Sounds good to me, I've always thought the integration was a natural within-company merger. I think this proves that p5 was the right track for quite a few things.

I hope that p5 users get a good deal on the upgrade from P5 to S8.

ORIGINAL: cryophonik

ORIGINAL: jmeier

Sonar 8, now featuring Project 5...

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. As far as I can see, the only new feature in that accidentally leaked Sonar 8 ad that bears any resemblance to P5 is the integrated synth track.

Uh, I think the guy was just trying to be sarcastic.


It's soo funny to me how many threads here about a P5 update never get answered by anyone from Cakewalk, but the first thread about Sonar 8 already has 3 or 4 repsonses from Cakewalk.

ORIGINAL: kb420
Uh, I think the guy was just trying to be sarcastic.

Mostly yes. But the midi loop explorer is also awfully close to p5 functionality.

FWIW: I really don't see anything wrong with using p5 ideas in Sonar. I do have both products and use both.

I've been "suggesting" wrapping P5 into Sonar for quite some time now. It makes sense. Most people have and/or use both programs. Each has its place in modern production. Will be interesting to see how these new bolt-ons work, and how close to P5's components they are.

ORIGINAL: kb420

...Personally, I think it's great for everyone. P5 is never going to get the kind of development attention that Sonar gets, so the best thing for every P5 user who's a loyal Cakewalk customer is that P5 and Sonar merge some type of way.

+1

ORIGINAL: kb420
There are some here that didn't want P5 wrapped in Sonar, and those are the fans I was referring to. They wanted the two to remain seperate programs, and then there are some who said that it couldn't be done because of the audio engine.

I still dont think that the engine will be as gapless as P5s, or Lives, even with the update. I also dont want to see P5 wrapped up in Sonar, since I still like Project5 and I still use it as my goto for making up tracks (in much the same way that people use Reason).

It looks like Cake did address the audio engine, and they are giving Sonar features that bring it closer to what P5 is aimed at doing.

Personally, I think it's great for everyone. P5 is never going to get the kind of development attention that Sonar gets, so the best thing for every P5 user who's a loyal Cakewalk customer is that P5 and Sonar merge some type of way.

Oh , I agree that putting the P5 features into Sonar is a great thing for Sonar. I would still love to see Sonar get the P5 pattern editor, I would be in heaven then. Failing that I would still like to see P5 as a developing product.

However, on the flip side of this , is that the more Project5 features that do appear in Sonar, then we less likely we are to seeing a P5 V3 update since sales in P5 will drop. This is one of the reasons Id prefer to see 2 separate developments.

Also just to point out that in the past I have mentioned that this forum has been used as a soap box for people to request that P5 be wrapped into Sonar. I will always maintain that this is still the wrong forum for that, if people want features in Sonar then they should drum up support in the Sonar forum, since here is a P5 peer to peer support forum, although it doesnt really get used for this nowadays.

I've also suggested shipping P5 with a better set of 'starter' intruments. Given the instruments that would seem to be shipping with Sonar 8, that's happening, but with the wrong program.

I totally agree. Rapture LE would seem to be more at place in P5 than Sonar, as would z3ta+. I also find it odd that Cyclone works better in Sonar than P5.

Since the hard core of Sonar users came up recording their guitars and vocals and other instruments, the inclusion of a beat thingie and Dim Pro and a True Piano and Guitar Rig is just on the borderline of appealing to electronic musicians/composers that have been P5's core users. It's a very interesting set of choices from that point of view -- sort of a transitional set.

I'll agree that the beat thing would seem to appeal more to P5's core user group, and that DP would appeal to both groups. However, True Piano and Guitar Rig seem more targeted to the Sonar core to me.

my humble suggestion to make P5 act as a virtual instrument would make integration simple and more or less painless

FL Studio does this and I'v used it in various veriosn as an instrument in P5 an dit works beautifully

energyXT is another host I'v eused as avirtual instrument within P5 to add variuous modular functions without a problem.

The beauty, of course, is P5 as vsti increases its potential market into a lot of other hosts that don't have its midi editing in pattern and track functions.
This would also fit nicely with the reality of P5 as a downloadable product -- who needs starter instruments if one is adding P5 as an instrument.

But it's just an idea.

If wishes were fishes we'd put lipstick on 'em.

I think I'd rather put a panko crust on my fishes.

Well one thing is certain, Sonar 8 will arrive before anymore P5 updates.

heres a weird scenario , the reason reportedly that there will be a 7.5 released to is that sonar 8 will merge with Project 5, and that from now on project 5 will be the lite version of sonar, the reason so was that when working on project to add some of the enhancements that was being requested they noted that project the new version was better, so the opted to make sonar 8 off of the new project 5. This isn't for real just a hypotheses

Well one thing is certain, Sonar 8 will arrive before anymore P5 updates.