Technical Difficulties

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2008/09/14 16:55:46 (permalink)

Technical Difficulties

I'm trying to record my electric using my Digitech RP90 mult-FX foot pedal. I'm sure I've done this before without any problem, but it's not working for me today. The problem is I can't hear it through the headphones. It records fine, plays back through the headphones fine as well. If I turn on the main level (speakers) I can hear it fine, but I can't record with the speakers on. I have the the guitar connected to the RP90 output. And I have two outputs going from the RP90 to the two inputs in the Firebox (with preamps). I have one set to left mono and the other to right mono. I have selected the button to show that it is going to the mixer (and not the amp). I got new headphones today (I keep wheeling over the wires...this is my 3rd set ) so I thought maybe they were the problem, but I tried the old ones and it's the same. What have I done wrong this time? I really need to the guitar while I record.

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    57Gregy
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    RE: Technical Difficulties 2008/09/14 17:25:54 (permalink)
    Hey, Annette, this is a stumper to me. I know you want to get this part recorded, but you might have to wait for RobertB, who also uses a stompbox similar to yours.
    By "mixer" and "amp", I assume you mean the Firebox's software mixer and the output to the speakers (amp). There may be a button that needs to be clicked in the mixer to monitor the input as you record.
    It's strange that you can record but not hear the recording, but can hear it on playback. I think it's an input monitoring setting somewhere. That's all I got, sorry.

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    RE: Technical Difficulties 2008/09/14 17:38:12 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: 57Gregy
    I think it's an input monitoring setting somewhere. That's all I got, sorry.


    Don't be sorry. It was the right answer. As soon as I read this sentence the light came on. I put the input monitoring on the tracks in MC 4 and it worked...Big THANK YOU.

    I'm still curious (because I'm trying to understand this stuff) why it worked with the speakers and not the headphones?

    Thanks again Greg,

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    RE: Technical Difficulties 2008/09/14 17:41:01 (permalink)
    Cool, you're welcome, and I don't know. You'd think if you can hear 1, you should be able to hear the other.

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    RE: Technical Difficulties 2008/09/14 18:16:55 (permalink)
    Maybe one of the other techo guru's will stop by and it explain it to us.

    I also wanted to mention Greg, that I was surprised when I read a thread where you were saying you didn't know much about midi (I don't know how old the post was, but I was searching something) and I have to say I've been quite impressed with your knowledge of midi. I've learned a lot from you, but I still have a ways to good. I just wanted you to know that your vast knowledge and eagerness to help here doesn't go unnoticed.

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    RE: Technical Difficulties 2008/09/14 21:05:51 (permalink)
    When I bought MC 2003 in 2002, I knew what the acronym 'MIDI' stood for, that's about it. My brother the programmer gave me a book by Craig Anderton called "MIDI For Musicians" which was helpful, and believe it or not, the MC getting started booklet had a pretty good basic section on what it is, as well as the help files.
    It's pretty amazing what can be done, and I know I've just scratched the surface of MIDI's capabilities.
    I just wanted you to know that your vast knowledge and eagerness to help here doesn't go unnoticed.

    Does that mean the check's in the mail?

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    RE: Technical Difficulties 2008/09/14 21:18:25 (permalink)
    Annette - I can try to help, but I'm not sure I follow the problem exactly (that and I don't know much about the Digitech). can you lay out your exact signal path for me?

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    RE: Technical Difficulties 2008/09/14 23:26:44 (permalink)
    On the running over the wires....I used a coat wire hanger that I straightened out and then bent to the necessary shape to holt the wire up, jammed it into a drawer handle and used that for a while, not pretty, but functional. Now my headphones come from one side, not in front of me, so the wire is out of the way naturally.
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    RE: Technical Difficulties 2008/09/14 23:26:54 (permalink)
    OK, I think I've figured it out. Thanks to the internet, I have manuals for most of the hardware we are all using.
    Annette, I'm guessing that your mixer is set up pretty much like this picture:



    They don't say, but it appears that the red Bypass button turns off the output to the speakers(amp?).
    By the way, since you are recording an electric guitar, and the signal is going directly into the Presonus, it's ok to record with the external speakers on. That's only a problem when you are using "my" microphone.
    However, that's not the problem here.
    The headphones can be controlled independently from the speakers.
    If you have Mixer Output set to Main, it sends everything out(the 6 inputs + Playback).
    But with the headphone control, you can select what part of that you want to hear.
    If you click the Mix to Phones "Mix" button, you can monitor your input channel + the output from MC4. If the Input Monitor button in your MC4 audio track is not on, you can still hear what you are recording, because you are monitoring the input directly.
    This is usually the prefered setting for vocals, and will be fine if you are just using the effects from the RP90. You won't hear any effects in the FX bin.
    If, however, you have button "1/2" selected for Playback to Phones, you will hear only the output from MC4.
    So you can hear playback just fine, but will only hear the input if you have Input monitoring turned on. To record using an amp sim like FreeAmp, you would want to set up this way.
    I hope this makes sense, 'cause I got tangled up a few times while I was writing it.

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    RE: Technical Difficulties 2008/09/15 10:42:49 (permalink)
    Thanks Beagle and RobertB.

    I can't remember if I posted about the mixer or not, but I intended to.

    It amazes me how you come up with this stuff RobertB...do you have someone watching over my shoulder. I always forget about the mixer, but for some reason opened it the other day. My former "teckie" teacher (yes Albert, that one again) set up two settings (files) for me; one to use for recording and one to use for playback. So, for the first time in ages, I selected the recording file. Never crossed my mind again until now.

    So my question(s) was going to be how do I use this? And the standard 5 "w".s. I have the who figured out....the rest..unfortunately will be me with instructions/tips from the experts here if I can tap into your knowledge bank. I guess you can't buy any of those banks anywhere? Shucks, it's the hard way again....

    Again, you have wowed me. I'll have to reread your response a couple of times to see what is happening. I should probably delete those two files he created.

    Annette

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