splitting tracks in mc4

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2008/09/30 20:02:58 (permalink)

splitting tracks in mc4

In mc2003 if i started a project in audio only and i wanted to split the track i could only split it at pre required intervals but if i started a project as midi only and inserted an audio track i could split the audio track anywhere i wanted....i havent been able to do this in mc4......am i missing something?

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    Beagle
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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/09/30 20:24:42 (permalink)
    you can split audio or midi tracks using the scissors tool (a little scissors icon in the toolbar) in the track view. is that what you're asking?

    or you can split using the SPLIT command by right clicking on the track where you want to split it and choose SPLIT from the menu options.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/09/30 20:32:32 (permalink)
    Yes ...you can do that...highlight the audio track and put your cursor at the point you want to split...right click and select split.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/09/30 20:46:01 (permalink)
    yes...i understand the concept of splitting. in MC2003 i could open a new project using the midi only and record an audio track...on that audio track i could split it ANYWHERE on that track but i try to do this in mc4 and it will still let my split it but not in the exact sposts i want...it either jumps me ahead or back a few meters

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/09/30 20:50:44 (permalink)
    That looks like snap-to-grid is set to a fairly high resolution, like measures.
    You should be able to turn it off, or change it to real time.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/09/30 21:50:13 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: electroylite it will still let my split it but not in the exact sposts i want...it either jumps me ahead or back a few meters

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    I have had that problem too. YouI have to have the time bar (or whatever it is called) on the exact spot where you want to split it. Do not breathe heavy or do anything that may shake your cursor off that line. And carefully right click without the moving the mouse a fraction of an inch..then it will work. So slow and steady wins the race. There's got to be a simpler way.

    I'll have to ask Bob what's he talking about with snap to grid stuff. Something else to read up on!!

    Good luck.


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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/09/30 21:55:52 (permalink)
    hmmm....was never that complicated with 2003....i am sure it has to b easier in mc4

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/09/30 23:34:27 (permalink)
    Actually, if you zoom in, use the zoom at the bottom of the screen to expand the horizontal view, you can be a little less acurate.
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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/01 08:38:19 (permalink)
    it's only going to jump to ahead or back if you have the snap to grid setting ON and at a resolution wider than you're trying to click on.

    look at the toolbar and the little GRID icon is the snap to grid. if it's BLUE, then it's ON. typically you'll want it on especially when you're splitting clips, and you'll want the "snap to zero crossings" checked so that you won't get pops at the clip point. but you can increase your resolution down to a 128th note or even absolute time of Xmsecs and can get down to the area you want to split really easily that way.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/01 18:00:39 (permalink)
    I just turned it off and that solved my problem

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/01 20:44:11 (permalink)
    I just check mine and it was on "whole". The snap to zero crossings was not selected. So which is better 128th or absolute time? And what do I put in for the time if that is the better option.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/01 21:32:57 (permalink)
    One millisecond is good.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/01 21:48:23 (permalink)
    I change it constantly depending on my need. I rarely use absolute time and I never have it off completely unless I'm splitting MIDI clips and can see what I'm splitting. if you turn it OFF when splitting audio clips then you risk splitting at a non-zero crossing which will cause popping at the split part.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/01 22:03:37 (permalink)
    I guess it would help if I knew what "snap to grid" was all about and the options for changing it. I won't turn it off, but set it to 128th for now, but I would like to understand what I'm really doing. Oh yes "snap at zero crossings" means ?????

    Hopefully someone can enlighten me. It really helps in remembering all this stuff.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/01 22:19:25 (permalink)
    "Snap to" refers to the resolution, how much you can move the now time, split point, or insert an event. It will 'snap to' the nearest measure if that's what it's set to, or a 1/2 note or 1 ms.
    In the staff view, you may be writing a fast passage with 9 1/16th notes. Set the snap to resolution to 1/16 and the notes will be written into the staff at points which are 1/16th of the measure, making the notation look presentable, and the MIDI device will play it correctly.
    If you have an audio track which is perfect, except the dog barked while you were singing, right between two words, you can use the zoom tool and get a real close look at the wave form, see where the dog's bark is, set the snap to resolution to 10 ms (one hundredth of a second) and isolate the bark by splitting, and then delete that clip.
    The 'enable zero crossings' setting will automatically set your split point where the wave form crosses the middle horizontal line, or zero decibels, so there is no abrupt pop or click at the split point, which may be audible to the bat-eared people.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/01 22:30:24 (permalink)
    which may be audible to the bat-eared people.

    OR BEAGLE EARS!!!!

    actually, depending on what you're working with it can be loud popping. it just depends.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/02 08:07:53 (permalink)
    Thanks Greg,

    That helps a lot. It gives me a better understanding of what it's all about. So, if mine was set to whole note, why was I have such a hard time splitting the files. I had to hold the curser over the bar and be very careful not to move it or it would jump to another spot? What should I have my setting on?

    Thanks Beagle,

    How should the settings be changed and in what circumstances?

    Thanks.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/02 08:38:41 (permalink)
    Thanks Beagle,

    How should the settings be changed and in what circumstances?

    I assume you're asking about the snap to grid settings? it just depends on where I want to split the clip. if I want to split the clip at the beginning of a measure so that I have exactly one measure to move or copy or whatever I'm going to do with it, then I want it set to measure so that I know it's going to split exactly at the beginning of the measure. if I want to split it at beat 3 of the a 4/4 time song, then I'll put it on 1/4 note resolution so that I know I'm splitting at that beat. If I'm just trying to trim off a small part at the end of a note because of an accidentally hit note or something, then I'll bring the resolution way up (say 128th note) and I'll zoom in until I can pinpoint the place I want to split that note out.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/02 08:39:18 (permalink)
    yes...that really does help....up till now i have done all my splitting on midi so i guess popping has never been an issue....i never did understand why i wouldnt want it off. Now i understand the need for it with audio. Thanks for all the info guys.

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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/02 08:45:14 (permalink)
    Thanks Beagle.

    That makes sense now.


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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/02 09:21:13 (permalink)
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    RE: splitting tracks in mc4 2008/10/02 09:55:31 (permalink)
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