No input volume control for Emu 0202?

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2008/10/07 19:10:54 (permalink)

No input volume control for Emu 0202?

I can't figure out how to increase the volume for recording from my microphone.

I noticed that the volume controller in Windows doesn't have the option to control the microphone volume like it usually does. I can use the knob on the left labeled L-Mic/Hi-Z/Line to make the recording audible, but I can't figure out how to get the sound loud enough. It records more quiet than a whisper at the moment.

Does anyone have some experience with this or similar models that could help me out? I have researched somewhat thoroughly on this problem and it doesn't look like this is a common question, so I wonder if I am missing something obvious.

Thanks in advance for any response.
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    Beagle
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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/07 20:04:20 (permalink)
    the input volume is no longer controlled by the windows mixer - you have to change the input volume with the mixer in patchmix - the software that came with the 0202.

    also, what kind of microphone are you using? if you have a condensor mic, then it will not work without phantom power and the 0202 does not have phantom power.

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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/07 21:05:29 (permalink)
    Thanks for your response. The site isn't letting me back on my original account, as it says that the account Anthrop is not in the database.. Maybe that'll be fixed in a day or two.

    Anyway, I do use a condenser microphone, and I have it running through a compact phantom power supply separate from the 0202 usb device. I have it set to 48V.

    There is only one program in the folder that the 0202 usb software installs. It controls the sample rate, has 4 different skins, and lets you launch the manual, but it doesn't have any option to change the volume. (It's a very simple interface. I'm sure there's no volume controls unless you have to do a secret combination of keys to unlock it.)

    I've checked the control panel, and there is nothing there that the 0202 put in either.

    I took a look at emu's site and there is only one application available for download. It's the E-MU® 0202 / 0404 / Tracker Pre USB Web Install Package v1.3. I've already installed it. It doesn't add any new options.

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    post edited by Anthro - 2008/10/07 21:09:43
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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/07 22:12:15 (permalink)
    I've never seen the 0202's mixer panel, but most apps usually have at least volume control available. do you have an EMU icon in your systray? if so, click on it and open it and see if it just brings up the panel you're talking about or if it brings up another panel with sliders.
    post edited by Beagle - 2008/10/07 22:14:46

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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/07 23:34:03 (permalink)
    I do have the EMU icon on the system tray. Double clicking on it brings up the application I wrote about earlier. Right-clicking on it doesn't get me where I need to be either.
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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/08 09:59:48 (permalink)
    you might want to verify your signal chain. you say you're going thru a phantom power supply before the 0202. do you have a dynamic mic you can use to see if your phantom power supply isn't working correctly? also, check cables, etc between the mic and the soundcard and everything in between

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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/08 12:08:50 (permalink)
    I don't have another microphone I can use to check the phantom power supply.

    However, the 0202 has a green LED that flickers to indicate that the noise level is high enough and a red LED that flickers to show that the noise level is too high. I've adjusted the knobs so that it flickers green but not red, though in the past I've tried turning the knob, labelled L - Mic / Hi-Z / Line, all the way clockwise to see if that would increase the volume. It didn't seem to.

    I've reconnected all the cables a few times and double checked them just now. They're secure.

    While the recording is way too quiet, I am able to record. I just have to turn the master volume on my sound card all the way up and turn the output on the audio track all the way up and use Boost11 with its settings turned all the way up to get the sound near the volume that I'm looking for. Then of course, I have to turn the volume on the other tracks down to avoid hearing loss when listening.

    The only software I have for the 0202 is labeled the 0202 control panel. If I could just find some sort of mixer panel for it, I think that would solve the problem. I've thought that maybe it uses the hardware mixer instead of one that is software, but there aren't that many knobs to try and none of them turn up the volume. I've read the entire manual at least three times looking for something I've missed, but haven't found anything.
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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/08 12:29:55 (permalink)
    Anthop maybe this if you haven't already-

    Go to Control Panel select Sounds and Audio Devices click the Audio Tab select your EMU as default device under sound playback, click the volume button under sound playback and turn up Wave Volume.

    Hope this helps,
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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/08 12:38:32 (permalink)
    Spacey, thank you for your response. I have the wave volume turned all the way up. I'm able to adjust the playback levels, but not the recording levels.
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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/08 12:44:36 (permalink)
    What software are using to record with?
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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/08 13:22:39 (permalink)
    I'm recording with Sonar 7 PE. I've also tried Wavelab Lite and Audacity.
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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/08 15:35:13 (permalink)
    The only thing I can think of Anthop is to plug in an instrument and check the level. If the instrument is a strong signal then your mic power supply could be the culprit.

    You've probably checked the channel settings..trim and such.

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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/08 16:37:20 (permalink)
    Plugging in an instrument is a good idea, But I don't have an instrument to plug into the xlr port. I just have a keyboard, and I connect using a midi to usb cable.
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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/08 18:45:11 (permalink)
    Probably time to borrow one or a different mic...

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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/08 20:01:15 (permalink)
    I'll wait to see if emu support gets back to me. I sent them an e-mail yesterday. I'm not too hopeful. It seems like most tech support just responds by saying - Hey, we didn't read your e-mail. Did you try turning your device on?

    If I can't get it figured out in a day or two I can buy the $50 microphone I've been reading raves about on the forums lately and give it a try. Or I was considering getting the Xi-Fi Titanium http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=17813 and then getting an xlr to rca cable.
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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/08 23:47:57 (permalink)
    Anyway, I do use a condenser microphone, and I have it running through a compact phantom power supply separate from the 0202 usb device. I have it set to 48V.


    This may be the problem.

    From E-MU site:
    Ultra-low noise Mic/Hi-Z/Line preamplifiers with ground lift switches enable you to plug microphones, keyboards and guitars straight into your computer with professional results (XLR, 1/4" TRS, and 1/8" 5V condenser mic input)


    Doesn't your mic work if you connect directly into 0202?

    Have you also checked if there is enough power available for 0202?

    http://tech.yahoo.com/gd/pc-troubleshooting-solve-usb-power-problems/166344



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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/09 00:30:09 (permalink)
    Thanks for the response. When I bypass the phantom power supply I get no sound from my recordings at all. I tried it again just now to make sure, and I had the same results. I checked my usb roots in the device manager and there was no combination above 500 mA, so my power is good.
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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/09 05:35:09 (permalink)
    i'm sure you have done this, but you have got those sends inserted in the Patchmix software to enable you to record? i used to have an EMU 0404 and the Patchmix is the most complicated piece of software i've ever seen...and i have Sony DVD Architect...

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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/09 12:05:30 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: mgh

    i'm sure you have done this, but you have got those sends inserted in the Patchmix software to enable you to record? i used to have an EMU 0404 and the Patchmix is the most complicated piece of software i've ever seen...and i have Sony DVD Architect...



    I think he has not since, there are no PatchMix software for these USB models available ... only software there is, is a very simple and easy to use control panel where you can change sample-rate, sync source, digital input SR and type of S/PDIF output format.


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    RE: No input volume control for Emu 0202? 2008/10/09 12:22:46 (permalink)
    More thanks for more replies! I appreciate it.

    Anyway, Junski is correct. If there is a patchmix for the 0202 then I couldn't find it to save my life.

    I was able to find the patchmix software for another emu product and tried installing it, but the install aborted when it couldn't find a supported product.

    Edit: I am now able to record at the kind of levels that I want to inside Sonar PE. Changing from mme to asio also increased the recording volume. Go figure.
    post edited by Anthop - 2008/10/09 12:47:53
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