Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question

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2008/10/15 09:24:49 (permalink)

Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question

I just purchased the Guitar Rig Session 3XE Audio Interface and have a small problem. I am running Sonar 5 PE in XP32 w/ SP3. I installed the driver for the interface and I only can get a mono output out of the interface. Also, I cannot hear a monitor mix of me playing but I am getting a good signal in Sonar as the meter registers and I can record (the signal) and when I play it back, it is amplified and can hear it through the monitor (mono left only). In an audio track, the only output option the Session I/O Interface shows is Session I/O Ouput L. There is no stereo option for the output at all. The only way I can hear any monitor mix when not playing a track back is if I select the Input Echo button. Am I overlooking something simple or is this (more specifically the mono output issue) typical amoung any/many of the USB 2.0 audio interfaces out there? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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    ew
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    RE: Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question 2008/10/15 12:52:58 (permalink)
    The input for a guitar is mono. If you aren't running it through a plugin (for example, the GR version that comes with Sessions), you're only going to hear the left channel.
    It sounds to me like you have the track selected to be mono to begin with, hence the one output. What happens if you choose both inputs (that is, a stereo track)?

    While I don't have Sessions, I do have AK 1 and the original Kore controller (essentially the same drivers); the outputs appear as stereo pairs here.

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    post edited by ew - 2008/10/15 13:02:26
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    RE: Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question 2008/10/15 13:37:45 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: ew

    The input for a guitar is mono. If you aren't running it through a plugin (for example, the GR version that comes with Sessions), you're only going to hear the left channel.
    It sounds to me like you have the track selected to be mono to begin with, hence the one output. What happens if you choose both inputs (that is, a stereo track)?


    ew,

    I have not been running the interface through the plugin (GR3XE) but rather was using the Session I/O to record guitar straight into Sonar, so you are correct about that. I am merely trying to test the waters of the interface itself as the sound card interface for recording in Sonar without activating the plugin. With that being said, I take it that running the interface with the plugin should yield me a stereo track as long as I have both inputs selected? I plan on activating it soon but I figured I could get the settings on the interace dialed without using the plugin as it is an external audio device just like many others out there. Do you think the answer is to activate the plugin and try running with that? Thanks!
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    Re: RE: Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question 2010/11/22 05:01:18 (permalink)
    sorry to bump this one but i have the exact same issue. 

    running session rig through sonar as an audio effect vst and lso using it as my asio master output but there is only an option for left only.

    using sonar 8 and guitar rig 4.

    any way i can get it to output to stereo?

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    Re: RE: Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question 2010/11/22 13:30:01 (permalink)
    ew is right....

    The input for a guitar is mono. Your guitar only sends a mono signal. Your cable only carries a mono signal.

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    Re: RE: Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question 2010/11/22 16:49:25 (permalink)

    i am talking about output. not input. as was the original poster.

    even if i have a stereo track selected to record in sonar (ie so the same should be recorded on left and right channels) i can only playback from the left speaker. there is only the option to choose left output and in audio settings there is only a session io left driver present.

    when i play them back i woulda thought there should be a way to send them out through both ears. i'm also using the session i/o for ezdrummer playback and it plays that rhough only one ear also (left of course).
    thanks for the reply but i think the mono input thing may be a red herring as surely you would still be able to send that mono to whatever channel you like and have it playback where you sent it.
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    Re: RE: Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question 2010/11/22 21:17:54 (permalink)
    record in sonar



    This is where people get mixed up all the time. We see this once per week. You recorded (INPUT) in mono so you've only got data on the LEFT side of your stereo track in SONAR. Record into a MONO track and then pan it left or right and MIX in stereo.


    Basic stuff guys.

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    Re: RE: Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question 2010/11/23 04:40:32 (permalink)
    i wont bite at your condescending remark except to say that despite your obvious feeling of superiority to those who don't have as much experience with the software as you, you have totally missed the mark/point.

    please read carefully. 

    * all audio output is played out of the left speaker only when playing back through guitar rig session i/o.
    * this occurs not only with ezdrummer (and guitar rig input data) but also is confirmed to be happening with audio songs recorded previously using left, right and stereo tracks. (which are confirmed to be playing nicely out of left and right speaker when using the computer in built audio card)
    * only "session i/o left" driver available to be selected in asio mode. this is surmised to be a factor in why all audio only plays from the left channel.

    any help would be appreciated on this specific issue. i will say again that i understand that when you record mono data you have to assign it to the left right or stereo (both) channels to get it to play out of those speakers, which i have done many times over the years recording using the built in soundcard

    all this is not to say i'm not missing something simple, i'm certainly no expert so if theres something constructive anyone can think of i'd be grateful

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    Re: RE: Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question 2010/11/23 13:06:40 (permalink)
    please communicate clearly

    "even if" - hypothetical meaning it isn't reality yet.....
    "even if i have a stereo track selected to record in sonar" - hypothetical meaning you haven't recorded anything yet.....but only set up a stereo track in SONAR (for a mono input)
    "i can only playback from the left speaker" - still meaning you haven't actually got a recording in stereo yet so playback must mean you're playing an instrument (mono) to try to hear stereo. That confused the issue right there.

    I actually read everything you wrote many times to make sure I was understanding your statements. Now that you've clarified a bit in your subsequent reply, I don't know how the Session IO works or what it even looks like or what it has as outputs. But there's a lot of different places this can go wrong for people which could mean mono cable in a stereo jack (one channel is carried); it could mean you think you have a stereo track with stereo data but only have mono data in a stereo track.

    You also confuse with two different things so I'll ask for clarification....

    Is your problem that you're only hearing left channel sound through headphones as per "it plays that rhough only one ear also"?

    Or is your problem "only "session i/o left" driver available to be selected in asio mode"?

    You shouldn't have been talking about playback in one ear if the problem is that the NI drivers aren't communicating 2 channels to SONAR. So, if you can only pick output of one channel then there is indeed a problem with NI hardware and you should go to NI directly with that because that sounds like an issue.

    Most of us here try to help when and where we can but sometimes how the question is asked misleads us to try to solve where the actual problem is. In this case now that you've clarified, you're saying you only get one channel exposed from the hardware? That's a driver issue and has nothing to do with SONAR so try going to NI's forum and see if there is anything there for help.

    post edited by Storm - 2010/11/23 13:07:46

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    Re: RE: Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question 2010/11/23 15:22:00 (permalink)
    i really was quite clear in my original post as was the original poster. i'm sorry if i subsequently used a couple of words ("even if") which made you unable to understand the rest of the thread. i can see how some people would in that situation assume that the problem was something they come across every week and respond accordingly. ideally you wouldnt assume and would just ask for clarification so you could understand the problem the first time but no big deal.  

    anyway the problem is both,
    * i am only  hearing audio in my left ear 
    * there is only "session i/o left" driver available in asio

    to me the two would clearly be linked so i hadnt thought it would confuse anyone by mentioning them both. i'm sorry that it has (confused someone) but i think we're at least now at a point were the issue is finally clear.

    thanks for the suggestions so far on sonar in general. i was hoping to get some advice from specifically some people who are actually using session rig with sonar as i think it is a bit of a specific issue to that hardware and they are likely to be the ones best placed to give good info on the issue but i think you are right, i'll probably have better luck over at the NI forum. in the meantime if anyone has any suggestion i'll still be checking this thread periodically



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    Re: RE: Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question 2013/01/01 13:32:11 (permalink)
    I had the same problem in X2. After some aggravation, I reinstalled the session io driver and made the following changes in Sonar via Edit -> Preferences
    Playback and Recording -> Driver Mode -> ASIO
    Audio Data -> Change Record and Render Bit Depth to 24, Import stays at 16
    Click Ok to save
    My guess is the ASIO driver only wants to work with 24 bit files and the left channel must be used as the timming device (Forced 24 bit)
    The other drivers (i.e. WDM) sounded really bad when recording which supprissed me so I was forced to figure out how to get ASIO to work.
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    Re: RE: Guitar Rig Session I/O Interface Question 2013/01/01 14:16:25 (permalink)
    You do realize the thread you posted to is more than 4 years old with the next more recent reply over 2 years ago. If you have an issue, you might want to post in the X1/X2 forum above this one.
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