CPU drain because of PRV track soloing

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2010/03/15 11:38:09 (permalink)

CPU drain because of PRV track soloing

I have 16-tracks of MIDI data assigned from Superior Drummer-2 using multiple track output, with a reverb plugin on the snare track. Also have two MIDI tracks assigned to Plugsound VST (bass and organ). If I play all tracks, it plays fine. If I go into PRV and solo the Bass track, after a shorttime of play, it will start to distort. I noticed the CPU meter climbs excessively when I do solo mode. Why would soloing a track affect the processor performance so much?

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    Re:CPU drain because of PRV track soloing 2010/03/15 11:49:46 (permalink)
    Key question: Does it happen if Plugsound is not on the soloed track (not just disabled, but completely removed)?
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    Re:CPU drain because of PRV track soloing 2010/03/15 12:02:32 (permalink)
    If I remove Plugsound, I won't have an associated sound source to hear the track. Will the track still play (i.e., without audio)?
     
    (NOTE: I can't try this at the moment, so my experimentations will be done later.)
     

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    Re:CPU drain because of PRV track soloing 2010/03/15 12:18:34 (permalink)
    I would go by similar as brundlefly suggests to narrow it down:

    Assign the bass midi track to something else. Insert TTS-1 or something.

    Then try solo that bass track.
    The try solo the other plugsound track

    etc

    Then try run the other plugsound track to tts-1, and put bass back onto plugsound.

    This kind of technique should get you to see possible solution.

    Maybe a second instance of Plugsound and one midi track to each.

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    Re:CPU drain because of PRV track soloing 2010/03/15 12:27:11 (permalink)
    Got it. Will try tonight.
     
    Ultimately I am also trying to find out if my system just isn't  'enough' anymore. Considering upgrades to Win-7, new PC, Sonar 8, etc. Hate to jump too fast if it is just one CPU-draining plugin.

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    Re:CPU drain because of PRV track soloing 2010/03/15 13:03:20 (permalink)
    f I remove Plugsound, I won't have an associated sound source to hear the track.



    My mistake. I thought Plugsound was an FX plug-in. Technically an instrument plug-in would be a VSTi.

    Anyway. Looks like lfm's got you covered.
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    Re:CPU drain because of PRV track soloing 2010/03/15 20:02:24 (permalink)
    My followup....this issue has me confused.
     
    First off, this also occurs in Console view, not just the PRV view as I originally stated (and I will assume Track view also). I substituted for the Plugsound tracks, the TTS1 and Roland Groovesynth.  Same problem occurs. It is the combination of track soloing that is puzzling.
     
    I have Superior Drummer on 16 Synth output tracks. For purposes herein, I will refer to that as Track 1. Then the two Synth tracks: TTS1, Groovesynth; tracks 2 & 3 respectively. 
     
          All 3 tracks together:   CPU running 27-28%, plays fine
        Tracks 1 & 2 soloed:     CPU running 27%, plays fine
        Tracks 1 & 3 soloed:     CPU running 27%, plays fine
        Tracks 2 & 3 soloed:     CPU running 63%, distortion, eventual dropout
        Track  1 only soloed:    CPU running 27%, plays fine
        Track  2 only soloed:    CPU running 61%, distortion, eventual dropout
        Track  3 only soloed:    CPU running 61%, distortion, eventual dropout
     
    It just seem odd that all 3 tracks play fine together at around 27% CPU. Solo track 2 and/or track 3, and CPU usage more than doubles.
     
    Note also that if I archive Track -1, then I can run Tracks 2 & 3 together at about CPU 15% (plays fine), and individually at CPU 14%.  I am missing something. Or maybe my system just can't cut it anymore.
     
     
       

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    Re:CPU drain because of PRV track soloing 2010/03/16 09:02:55 (permalink)
    (bump)
     
    Any ideas, or does anyone know why removing a track from the solo group would cause a spike in the CPU activity? Frustrating. Makes editing a pain. I am considering a PC upgrade if that actually would do the job, but hate to spend the money if it is some stupid user error somewhere.

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    Re:CPU drain because of PRV track soloing 2010/03/16 09:51:35 (permalink)
    I don't think soloing saves cpu. Everything is run as usuall but result from audio output is not handled. Something like that.

    On my computer I also start getting glitches in audio when cpu pumps around 60-70% in sonar statusbar. So that is normal I would say.

    But that it would increase cpu load that much by soloing is surprising.

    But after all, it's logical that 16 tracks from Superior drummer takes quite some resources.

    Just freeze tracks 1 then, and run it all?
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    Re:CPU drain because of PRV track soloing 2010/03/16 10:10:30 (permalink)
    lfm


    I don't think soloing saves cpu. Everything is run as usuall but result from audio output is not handled. Something like that.

    On my computer I also start getting glitches in audio when cpu pumps around 60-70% in sonar statusbar. So that is normal I would say.

    But that it would increase cpu load that much by soloing is surprising.

    But after all, it's logical that 16 tracks from Superior drummer takes quite some resources.

    Just freeze tracks 1 then, and run it all?
    Yes, It is the CPU spike that is so unusual. I could see the CPU usage remaining the same when taking out a track from solo based on what you state, but not actually causing the big increase.
     
    Freezing is a workaround at least. I hoped that my system had a little more pep in it than this. I can't help but think there may be something wrong with my setup.

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    Re:CPU drain because of PRV track soloing 2010/03/16 10:20:40 (permalink)
    You may want to try using the 32 bit audio engine and see if that helps.

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    Re:CPU drain because of PRV track soloing 2010/03/16 10:45:04 (permalink)
    It seems to me that Superior drummer does not like being muted with solo. That it get's stuck on something. I don't know what Sonar does when soloing, if it stops midi input to plugins not to sound, or what?

    If you try Mute Superior track and solo the rest?

    If that make it run smooth, check out if there is an update on Superior you have not got. Just a guess if Superior does not recognize that it's muted somehow.
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