A Bus Question

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2008/10/23 20:39:59 (permalink)

A Bus Question

Hi, sorry this is probably a simple question, but...So I insert a new bus, on this bus I put a reverb I want to use on my vocal track, so I assign the bus to desired track, now I thought I could leave the reverb wet/dry mix at 100% and then control it with the bus fader, but when I lower the fader on the bus track the overall volume of the vocal track lowers with the fader, so am I wrong in thinking that the fader on the bus should control only the reverb output to the track? or did I screw up altogether, anyway, thanks in advance


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    RE: A Bus Question 2008/10/23 20:45:43 (permalink)
    This calls for a send. That way you can use the aux(bus) fader to return just the right amount of verbed signal. What you have is the track going to the bus what you want is a portion to go not the whole thing.

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    RE: A Bus Question 2008/10/23 20:46:48 (permalink)
    Thank you much, I will mess with it,

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    RE: A Bus Question 2008/10/23 20:52:08 (permalink)
    better answer above
    post edited by slartabartfast - 2008/10/23 20:56:11
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    RE: A Bus Question 2008/10/23 21:39:13 (permalink)
    Just to make it really simple... Think of a send as a "Y" split.


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    RE: A Bus Question 2008/10/23 22:46:28 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: John

    what you want is a portion to go not the whole thing.


    What does that mean?
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    RE: A Bus Question 2008/10/23 22:59:54 (permalink)
    It means some of the signal is sent and some isn't. If I read his post right he had the track output going to a bus. This was the bus with reverb and he wondered why it was so strong. The idea is to use the sends as they are meant to be used. To tap in and take some of the signal and send it to a aux. In this case because Sonar makes no distinction between a bus and an aux return I phrased that way. Maybe it is unclear. I was trying to say as much with as few words as I could. Now I seem to be explaining my post. A little counter to my plan. LOL Oh well. I know its a little hard to get the idea of Sonar's buses. I was hoping that post would be a good start.

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    RE: A Bus Question 2008/10/23 23:10:33 (permalink)
    Where do you set how much of the signal you want to take?
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    RE: A Bus Question 2008/10/23 23:24:47 (permalink)
    I use the CV for this most of the time because its easy. If you look at the send area it has an on/off switch and a post/pre button and a knob. That knob is for how much you want to send. This is with Sonar 7. Sends on a hardware mixer work the same way. This has always been in Sonar even before 3 when the new CV and virtual busing was first implemented. In the track view is in the inspector and in the track header as send level.

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    RE: A Bus Question 2008/10/24 05:41:08 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: John

    I use the CV for this most of the time because its easy. If you look at the send area it has an on/off switch and a post/pre button and a knob. That knob is for how much you want to send. This is with Sonar 7. Sends on a hardware mixer work the same way. This has always been in Sonar even before 3 when the new CV and virtual busing was first implemented. In the track view is in the inspector and in the track header as send level.


    You'll find the send is initally set at a value of 0.0 when first insterted - I find this is much too high and needs to be attentuated severely to get the 'verb level to sit properly with the rest of the song.

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    RE: A Bus Question 2008/10/24 17:14:45 (permalink)
    Like others have said, you don't want to route the track output to the bus, but rather insert a track send. Then you can control the amount of track that is sent to the reverb, and with the reverb bus's fader, the level of the reverb in the overall mix. I wrote a tutorial on my blog called Sonar Busing Praxis that has some nice diagrams explaining how to use buses for this and other purposes.

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    RE: A Bus Question 2008/10/24 17:36:23 (permalink)
    Wishus;
    Great explanation of buses. That would do well here as a sticky. The bus structure in Sonar is simple yet very powerful. I believe its not that easy for new users to really get how it works as its really too easy to grasp. What I mean is its anti intuitive because its so simple. Unlike most other DAWs. Its too elegant if know what I mean. We don't think something can be simple and powerful. Its the way we have been schooled in computers.

    Another area of Sonar is the track view itself. Again simple and like most other DAWs but with a huge difference. The buses are shown as if they were tracks. This is very subtle but very powerful. The main use is for automation display. Yet here CW has allowed for waveform preview and peaks indication. There are other cool things about the Sonar TV that at first glance looks just like all the others but isn't.


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