Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator?

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2008/10/24 07:14:07 (permalink)

Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator?

I once had sonar 4 installed in a student lab at a college, and it was a pain to get to work properly. the IT people wouldnt let the users have full administrator privileges, and then sonar didnt want to run under the "student" accounet, so we found a fix that made them "virtual administrators" when they started sonar.. or something.

and now it is time to update the lab, so i am wondering if this will be any different with sonar 8, or if we have to try some clever fix this time as well :)
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    Fog
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    RE: Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator? 2008/10/24 09:36:07 (permalink)
    you can set programs to "run as administrator" in the admin account I think, so even if it's not logged in it might work.

    post edited by Fog - 2008/10/24 09:43:38
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    RE: Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator? 2008/10/24 14:31:07 (permalink)
    The official story from CW is that you have to be Administrator to install SONAR, but that you can run it with minimal user privileges. This is a prerequisite for advertising Vista compatibility.

    This has not always been my experience, however. When I installed SONAR 5, I had to use RunAs and run it under Administrator credentials. Then I upgraded to SONAR 7 and there was no problem running as a limited-access user. Now I am at SONAR 8, and SONAR itself runs fine under a limited user account but Dimension Pro does not. I have to run as Administrator if I want to use Dim Pro.

    So it's likely that SONAR will work fine for you in a student lab. I assume you wipe the disk clean between classes rather than trying to just clean them up, requiring that applications be re-installed. As long as you always install as Administrator, you should be OK. Not everyone has experienced the Dim Pro problem I'm having.



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    RE: Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator? 2008/10/24 14:41:24 (permalink)
    Hi Friends,

    Starting with SONAR 6 or 6.2 the admin requirement is no longer necessary to run SONAR, and it plays much better with roaming profiles.

    With Dimension Pro, the admin issue is mainly affecting x64 users. If you're running x64 in your lab then you will need to use Option #2 in the workarounds explained here:
    http://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/kb20081008.asp as limited users won't even have the 'Run as Admin' option available to them.
    post edited by Willy Jones [Cakewalk] - 2008/10/24 14:50:52

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    RE: Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator? 2008/10/24 14:59:03 (permalink)
    lovely :) the lab still runs windows XP so it looks like we will be fine.

    every school in norway should have sonar within 2010, thats my goal, hehe.
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    RE: Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator? 2008/10/24 20:51:02 (permalink)
    With Dimension Pro, the admin issue is mainly affecting x64 users.

    I am running XP Pro. Got any tips for XP users?

    I have uninstalled and reinstalled Dim Pro many times. I have manually removed the Dim Pro registry keys prior to reinstallation. I have run the setup as Administrator. I have manually un-registered and re-registered the dll.

    I've run out of different ways to attempt to install Dim Pro, but the problem persists: a messagebox that says it hasn't been installed properly.

    What's the deal?


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    RE: Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator? 2008/10/25 02:34:20 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Willy Jones [Cakewalk]

    Hi Friends,

    Starting with SONAR 6 or 6.2 the admin requirement is no longer necessary to run SONAR, and it plays much better with roaming profiles.

    With Dimension Pro, the admin issue is mainly affecting x64 users. If you're running x64 in your lab then you will need to use Option #2 in the workarounds explained here:
    http://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/kb20081008.asp as limited users won't even have the 'Run as Admin' option available to them.

    With Dimension Pro, the admin issue is mainly affecting x64 users. If you're running x64 in your lab then you will need to use Option #2 in the workarounds explained here:
    http://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/kb20081008.asp as limited users won't even have the 'Run as Admin' option available to them.


    Great tip but my Compatibility Checkbox is greyed out? Any Idea Willy?

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    RE: Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator? 2008/10/25 02:54:19 (permalink)
    I am running XP Pro. Got any tips for XP users?

    Get Vista! You'll love it.

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    RE: Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator? 2008/10/25 10:42:12 (permalink)
    Vista is not the optimal OS to run Audio Sequencing on from my experience. I've been running Sonar since it's inception & on my Quad w/Vista it does not run nearly as close to it's potential when I run the same on my XP machine... While I'm no expert someone like "Jim Roseberry" at Studiocat or Scott at ADK can elaborate. All I can confirm is that there is a very clear Speed/Stability loss using Vista... That's not to say some like the flow of Vista but I'm much happier on the XP as I don't believe Vista was really ready for , "Prime Time"..... JMHO Wildman
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    RE: Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator? 2008/10/25 11:25:02 (permalink)
    I'm much happier on the XP as I don't believe Vista was really ready for , "Prime Time"..... JMHO Wildman


    I believe (mere speculation on my part--I'm still running XP) a lot of the Vista problems have been related to system configuration and drivers. Many users have reported no problems with the Vista platform. I haven't upgraded to Vista because I don't have the need to do so.

    John and CJ, two well respected members of this community, swear by the benefits of running Vista. While I certainly respect their opinions, I am still a member of the "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it" school.

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    RE: Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator? 2008/10/25 14:13:44 (permalink)
    My personal experience is that Sonar crashes a lot if you run as admin. I don't know why. I saw this with S7 running on both XP and Vista (I used a non-admin account on XP). When I got my new Vista machine, I installed Sonar and initially always ran it as admin. But I had these weird unexplained crashes - sometimes when opening a project, sometimes when closing Sonar, sometimes just in the middle of doing some random operation. Then I remembered that I had the same issue with XP and that not running as admin fixed it. So I tried it with S7 on Vista and the crashing mysteriously went away.

    I have since installed S8 and it still seems stable. I have feeling if I run it as admin the crashing would start again.

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    RE: Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator? 2008/10/25 16:15:12 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: bitflipper
    I've run out of different ways to attempt to install Dim Pro, but the problem persists: a messagebox that says it hasn't been installed properly.

    All I have are general suggestions, but my guess is that it could be a permissions issue. The trick is finding out what and where. I would first try to install as Administrator and then use the regular account (or temporarily give your account Administrator privileges). That might work. If not, then some registry keys might not have the right permissions for you to access them. The folders Dim Pro accesses might not have the right permissions for you to access them. You might even need write permission on a folder or file in order for Dim Pro to update things like the file that contains the browser information. I am able to install the standalone Dim Pro product as an administrator and use it from a normal user account. I would think the bundled Dim Pro would work the same way.

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    RE: Must sonar 8 be run as an administrator? 2008/10/25 16:17:22 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: SilkTone
    My personal experience is that Sonar crashes a lot if you run as admin. I don't know why.

    Having Administrator privileges means you have many more ways to spectacularly mess up the operating system to a point where it will crash. A misbehaving program run by a mere mortal will usually crash with an error without bringing the operating system down.

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