soundman32
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Joining split sections
Due to bad planning (and not being able to play the whole song in one go), I have recorded a (multiple track) song in three sections. The beginning is at the end, and there is a gap between the middle and the end (where we re-started recording). Is there anyway for Sonar7 to play these parts in order without mixing down and then manually putting the parts in the right places? The three parts are Start @ bar 224 Middle @ bar 4 End @ bar 183 So I'd like to mark the beginning and end of each part and Sonar to automatically jump to the start of the next section. Or do I really have to move things around?
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RTGraham
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/25 13:41:07
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You have to actually move them around; SONAR doesn't do location jumps automatically. The closest you could get would be to set a Loop Start at the beginning of your "Middle" section, set a loop end at the end of your "Beginning" section, and then start playback from the beginning of the "Beginning" section, so SONAR plays your first section, then loops back to the middle; but it doesn't address your "Ending" section. If you really need to preserve the original recording locations, then save a backup copy of the project with a different name before you start moving stuff around. But it's really not a big deal to select a bunch of clips across tracks and move them to different locations in a project. It's probably easiest if you leave your "Beginning" section where it is, select all of the "Middle" stuff and put it in place after it, and then put the "Ending" stuff after that. Then you can move it all to the beginning of the project at once.
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bitman
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/25 13:45:11
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No. It's a sequencer so you would think it would. But it doesn't. I'll bet it will someday though. Does any DAW do this to anyone's knowledge? I'm Sonar sheltered.
post edited by bitman - 2008/10/25 13:53:26
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subtlearts
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/25 14:35:53
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Yup. Playlists. Cubase does it (bone of contention). Pro Tools too I think. Probably others too. We had hope for 8 but maybe 9?
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/25 14:39:39
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Ableton Live handles this is the most elegant and ingenious way! Rico
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/25 15:24:01
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Jeez, I get confused enough in a big project without having to keep track of what order clips are going to be played! Man, how did you people survive the razor blade-and-splice era?
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twaddle
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/25 15:42:11
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Bitflippwer took the words right out of my mouth. But I would say, why the hell didn't you record you song/parts in the right order in the first place??? What was the pointy of recording bass akwards? Steve
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/25 15:45:22
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ORIGINAL: twaddle Bitflippwer took the words right out of my mouth. But I would say, why the hell didn't you record you song/parts in the right order in the first place??? What was the pointy of recording bass akwards? Steve Don't you think that is a bit unfair? Everyone writes/records differently. Maybe they developed them separately. Maybe what they thought was gonna be the verse turned out the be the chorus.
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tcaylor
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/25 15:46:55
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One of the very first sequencers I had was "Prism", a MIDI only implementation. It would allow you to create sections of songs which you could then play back in any order with repeat sections if necessary. I haven't had that functionality in several years and can say that I haven't missed it either. For me, I'd prefer to go in order and using Sonar's markers works well enough. It also seems that changing the order around by cutting and pasting even across several tracks is not that difficult but I definitely would not start without a backup first.
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subtlearts
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/25 18:23:33
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ORIGINAL: bitflipper Man, how did you people survive the razor blade-and-splice era? ... by looking forward to how great it would be when technology caught up with how I wanted things to be! (and yes, I'm old enough to have spliced some tape back in the day...)
post edited by subtlearts - 2008/10/25 18:26:32
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/25 21:06:43
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ORIGINAL: subtlearts ORIGINAL: bitflipper Man, how did you people survive the razor blade-and-splice era? ... by looking forward to how great it would be when technology caught up with how I wanted things to be! (and yes, I'm old enough to have spliced some tape back in the day...) +1 But I would say, why the hell didn't you record you song/parts in the right order in the first place??? What was the pointy of recording bass akwards? Steve Please tell me this is you joking cause if not then I am guessing you dont do much songwriting.....
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/25 21:29:58
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Move the stuff aorund now, you'll thank yourself later anyway. I too used to used Prism, and I wondered when I moved on to PowerTracks how I was going to do without the pattern oriented nature of Prism, though I found in the end that the linear way made more sense for most situations. While the pattern stuff is cool for things you want to repeat, when doing a whole verse or chorusor whatever, we found ourselves having to copy the whole verse to a new pattern just to properly deal with transitions that were different between two verses leading into the chorus or whatever. Long story short is that the combo of the two is the best situation. My advice would be to "move by" when you grab the chunks, which will keep them in their positions relative to the measure markers but will move them on the timeline. Of course, if you didn't do these sections to a click, your job is going to be a little tougher. HTH
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RTGraham
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/26 01:46:40
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ORIGINAL: twaddle Bitflippwer took the words right out of my mouth. But I would say, why the hell didn't you record you song/parts in the right order in the first place??? What was the pointy of recording bass akwards? Steve Um, ever hear of Abbey Road? The Beatles? Let's not condemn him yet for having an unusual working procedure.
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RE: Joining split sections
2008/10/26 02:38:06
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Please tell me this is you joking cause if not then I am guessing you dont do much songwriting..... Sorry, I'm a pretty prolific songwriter - and this concept is ALIEN to me. Hey diffrn't strokes — so there's no point in critisizing either side. I just think it would be easier to put the song in the correct order from the get go, myself, but then again I'm ignorant about the why you'd do it that way in the first place to be honest. My ADHD dictates I remain methodical and deliberate in my crude methodology!!
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